General Leafs Talk v2.0

[caver]

People really care about others saying "we"? Jeez.

This.

 

[Britishbulldog]

mirtle: Leafs rookie Carter Ashton has a hearing tomorrow with the NHL for his hit from behind last night.

I could see him getting a game or two.

I wish he would get the maximum.  He has quickly become my least favorite Leaf. He is a gutless puke who plays dirty to hurt people, including his own team mate McLaren, and is a pathetic fighter.  He has no offensive skill at the NHL level.  I am unhappy he gets to where the Leaf jersey.

Who are you and what did you do with the Bulldog?

Sorry my friend.  I truly am a jolly fellow who typically rivals nutman for my unbridled love for this team and I know I create insane trade propositions to improve the Leafs.  I almost don't like Ashton as much as Colby Armstrong...which is saying a lot. 

 

[MetalRaven]

Saying we is faster and more efficient then saying the teams name over and over again.

Well, I can't speak for everyone obviously but typically when I am engaged in a casual discussion about hockey I'm not overly concerned with being graded for speed or efficiency. Definitely not to the point where the two syllables of "The Leafs" is overly cumbersome compared to the one of "we".

Quite frankly in a natural discussion it sounds forced and needlessly repetitive.

Which is why you wouldn't use it except when necessary. In sentences where you need to differentiate between two teams you would use "The Leafs" as in "Toronto played Anaheim last night and I think the Leafs played pretty well" but in sentences where you didn't you would use "they" as in "They started Bernier last night". There are collective pronouns that don't involve yourself that are just as fast.

All of my casual discussions about hockey interchange those two as needed and no one is confused as to who is being referred to or left staring at their watches as all of those needless syllables pile up. I don't have a super-strong opinion as to the use of "we" from a propriety sense(although it can sound pretty silly) but it's certainly not something that's mandated by the language.

Thats fine, you dont need to defend the use of they. Im not offended by your use and acknowledge that its just as fast...hey id go so far as to say they are interchangeable. Most people use them both, even the "offended ones". So the only difference between the two is the inclusion of myself. So they are offended that I think im on the Leafs. They are basically calling me stupid/delusional for saying we instead of they. Why else would they be offended? The W? Maybe because it also is a word for urine? As I said earlier the whole idea that someone is offended by this is ridiculous. As for being graded? Maybe not on speed but on pronoun use apparently.

 

[Kin]

So they are offended that I think im on the Leafs.They are basically calling me stupid/delusional for saying we instead of they.

Well, I don't know why people are calling you stupid or delusional but I was just responding to you saying that referring to the team as "we" is what should be done or that it somehow leads to a more streamlined or easier to follow conversation. I don't think that's true but as I said, I don't have a strong opinion of its use outside of that(and even then, not so much).

And, honestly, from my, Beowulf's and Stickytape's response it doesn't really seem as though anyone takes it too seriously.

Why else would they be offended?

You'd have to ask them, I suppose.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN1WN0YMWZU[/youtube]

 

[Bullfrog]

People really care about others saying "we"? Jeez.

This.

Double this.

I can't imagine it's particularly unusual for a fan to identify with their favourite team and use "we" when talking about them. I think it's pedantic to even point out someone's use of we in that context.

 

[MetalRaven]

So they are offended that I think im on the Leafs.They are basically calling me stupid/delusional for saying we instead of they.

Well, I don't know why people are calling you stupid or delusional but I was just responding to you saying that referring to the team as "we" is what should be done or that it somehow leads to a more streamlined or easier to follow conversation. I don't think that's true but as I said, I don't have a strong opinion of its use outside of that(and even then, not so much).

And, honestly, from my, Beowulf's and Stickytape's response it doesn't really seem as though anyone takes it too seriously.

Why else would they be offended?

You'd have to ask them, I suppose.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN1WN0YMWZU[/youtube]

No, noone here or elsewhere called me stupid/delusional directly but your video at the end illustrates both points perfectly. David Mitchell is arguing that his partner is delusional and seems to believe hes on the team. In this particular example I understand, the sports fan was berating his non-sports fan friend about the team his family (not even the person in question) were fans of and using the accusational word YOU which almost always creates the feeling of needing to defend oneself. I also like the video because it puts some context to my discussion. From personal experience these people who start the "we" discussion are usually non-sports fans taking a dig at sports fans. Ive had this exact discussion probably 5 times now, and every time its meant as derogatory remark towards sports fans in general.

But this has gone on long enough...I doubt anyone here is serious about this discussion (including myself I just like to debate ferociously)

Mitchell and Webb is hilarious...ive also had the "could care less vs couldn't care less" debate several times and he argues my point nearly verbatim 

 

[Strangelove]

The Leafs are getting outplayed by just about everyone, and only winning on the strength of goaltending and skilled guys making good plays.  But the "system" in place five on five is a joke. Randy is not getting the most of this team and if this keeps up for another 10-15 games, they should look at replacing him..

 

[hap_leaf]

Is it too outlandish to contemplate Wellwood as a quick fix to our issues at C?

 

[bustaheims]

Is it too outlandish to contemplate Wellwood as a quick fix to our issues at C?

Considering he's retired, probably.

 

[hap_leaf]

Is it too outlandish to contemplate Wellwood as a quick fix to our issues at C?

Considering he's retired, probably.

Hm, too bad.  I bet he could rekindle some passion for the game as a Leaf.  Only 30, too.

 

[Leafaholic99]

Is it too outlandish to contemplate Wellwood as a quick fix to our issues at C?

Considering he's retired, probably.

Did he officially retire?

When that article came out it said he was retiring, but then I read on twitter from his agent that if he can't find a job in the NHL he will retire shortly after the retirement piece.

that was a while ago, so I'd assume he would have retired by now if there was no interest before yesterday.

 

[TML fan]

Didn't Raymond used to play centre? Move him to the middle, call up Leivo. Bob's your uncle.

 

[bustaheims]

Didn't Raymond used to play centre? Move him to the middle, call up Leivo. Bob's your uncle.

Considering he's never taken more than 65 face-offs in an NHL season, I'm going to go with no.

 

[leafplasma]

Seriously slim pickings out there for unsigned UFA centres.  Connolly and Wellwood lead the way and you know these guys are so far from being in game shape that they are not options. 

Another route would be to deal for a pending 2014 UFA.  However, with our cap crunch that is tough unless we send salary the other way.  Maybe Calgary and Matt Stajan could be a target as he is in the final year of a 3.5 mil deal and maybe that cap hit is something we could work with.  Stajan has no value and maybe sending a guy like Holzer the other way could get this done.  You really need to get more salary off our roster included in this deal though because when Bolland does come back we are in a huge pinch.  If somehow we could get Cgy to take on Liles and a pick or maybe Liles and D'Amigo.  Toronto and Cgy/Feaster love to deal so anything is possible.

The more likely scenario is we see McKegg or Smithson recalled from the Marlies and try to make that work for the next 2.5 weeks until Bozak is back.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Someone mentioned Kulemin is above 40% career on faceoffs, I think he just muscles them, perhaps they try him in the middle given his defensive reliability.

 

[drummond]

How about bringing Nik Antropov from the KHL, he is big, defensively responsible, good on face-offs, familiar with the Leafs and Toronto and most importantly in game-shape.

 

[moon111]

How about bringing Nik Antropov from the KHL, he is big, defensively responsible, good on face-offs, familiar with the Leafs and Toronto and most importantly in game-shape.

And he can beat Jason Allison in a foot race.

 

[nutman]

How about bringing Nik Antropov from the KHL, he is big, defensively responsible, good on face-offs, familiar with the Leafs and Toronto and most importantly in game-shape.

And he can beat Jason Allison in a foot race.

I'll take big Nick back in a heart beat.

 

[bustaheims]

How about bringing Nik Antropov from the KHL, he is big, defensively responsible, good on face-offs, familiar with the Leafs and Toronto and most importantly in game-shape.

If he has an NHL out-clause, then, it's a possibility, but, if not, it's likely not in the cards. He'd also have to clear waivers, which he probably would, but, it's no guarantee.

Also, he's really not good on the draw at all. A career 42.8% rate, with his career high being 48.7%.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Someone mentioned Kulemin is above 40% career on faceoffs, I think he just muscles them, perhaps they try him in the middle given his defensive reliability.

If any winger on the current roster is getting moved over it will be JVR. Carlyle talked about him possibly playing centre during his first training camp, although it never really got anywhere, and he was the winger who shifted to centre for a few shifts in the Vancouver game after Bolland was out.