Getting Out Shot Every Night!!!

[louisstamos]

Possible theory that probably wouldn't apply to the Leafs this year, but...

Would it make sense in some instances where the team that is down 1-0 or 2-0 are more likely to take more shots on net as they're trying to tie the game, whereas the team that's up are more likely to make the safe play of dumping the puck into the opposition's zone?

Food for thought?  And again, it doesn't explain a shot differential this wide...

 

[Deebo]

I really don't think they would have made it if there were 34 more games this season.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I really don't think they would have made it if there were 34 more games this season.

Agreed. Heck, if there were 10 more games we might not have made it. That's why I want Carlyle fired. He's not going to change the way he coaches over the summer. So it's either fire him now and replace him with a pretty good candidate in house, or fire him next summer after losing that candidate and a full season.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Man, a coach gets a team to the playoffs for the first time in 9 years and he's getting fired after losing game one...Sheesh.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Man, a coach gets a team to the playoffs for the first time in 9 years and he's getting fired after losing game one...Sheesh.

Tyler Bozak was the first number one centre to get this team into the playoffs in 9 years and most people want him gone.

 

[Bonsixx]

Man, a coach gets a team to the playoffs for the first time in 9 years and he's getting fired after losing game one...Sheesh.

Tyler Bozak was the first number one centre to get this team into the playoffs in 9 years and most people want him gone.

He was the only player doing anything positive last night, other than Reimer.

 

[Kin]

Man, a coach gets a team to the playoffs for the first time in 9 years and he's getting fired after losing game one...Sheesh.

It's not like people didn't have issues with Carlyle before last night.

Anyways, I think that there's nothing wrong with advocating a change. You can think Carlyle did a good job taking the Leafs from where they were to where they are and think that he may not be the guy to take them from where they are to where they need to be. Pro-actively addressing management isn't a bad thing, even if it violates the ingrained sports mentality of leaving someone in their position until they fail beyond all argument.

 

[pnjunction]

I really don't think they would have made it if there were 34 more games this season.

I don't think so either.  I looked at the pace after 48 games last year and it was 53 points, just outside a playoff spot, then we finished 12 pts out.  Outside of Reimer the team has been playing awful the last couple of weeks and still haven't shown signs of snapping out of it.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Man, a coach gets a team to the playoffs for the first time in 9 years and he's getting fired after losing game one...Sheesh.

Tyler Bozak was the first number one centre to get this team into the playoffs in 9 years and most people want him gone.

He was the only player doing anything positive last night, other than Reimer.

And Grabovski.

As for Bozak being the 1st number one center...that's not at all the same thing as a coach. I mean, it's not like we come on here and say Carlyle really isn't suited to be a coach, he's actually more useful as a equipment manager.

People don't want Bozak let go because of his skill set, but more to do with the need for a #1 center and the possible ridiculous salary Bozak may command.

 

[pnjunction]

Like it or not Carlyle is most likely going to get another year to see what level he can reach with this team.

Between him and Nonis I think they have to fix some glaring issues or we probably don't even make the playoffs again next year and in that case we might see more heads roll.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Man, a coach gets a team to the playoffs for the first time in 9 years and he's getting fired after losing game one...Sheesh.

It's not like people didn't have issues with Carlyle before last night.

Anyways, I think that there's nothing wrong with advocating a change. You can think Carlyle did a good job taking the Leafs from where they were to where they are and think that he may not be the guy to take them from where they are to where they need to be. Pro-actively addressing management isn't a bad thing, even if it violates the ingrained sports mentality of leaving someone in their position until they fail beyond all argument.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss2hULhXf04[/youtube]

 

[Leaflifer]

I agree that the turnover problem is a ramification of the system. If it was only 1  or 2 players, Carlyle would have something to harp on players about.

If its not working on a team level RC, make a change on your whiteboard.

 

[pnjunction]

I have mostly cut Bozak some slack because he can create some plays and bury a pretty goal fairly often.

What I notice he could not seem to do in a tight game like last nights is 'create time and space'. Maybe he's not 100% but when the team is bottled up he doesn't seem to be at a level where he can break that cycle and get something going, he just skates into a turnover like the rest of our mediocre players.

In short he can look really good feeding Kessel or burying a goal when the team is buzzing but when the team isn't even getting a sniff of the net he looks pretty useless out there (that goes for Kessel too, he looks obsolete in games played hard along the boards which I think is why he stinks against the Bruins).

I don't know if it's fair to single him out when the whole team is playing that way, but you certainly could say that a team should have a guy with enough skill to break a game open as #1C if they want to be successful.

What really sucks for the Leafs is that besides Bozak being mediocre Grabovski has turned into an ineffective punching bag and Kadri is slumping.  Simply not going to win being so weak up the middle.

 

[Brystine]

Man, a coach gets a team to the playoffs for the first time in 9 years and he's getting fired after losing game one...Sheesh.

Last year under Wilson, at the 48 game mark, we had 53 points. We've improved by 4 points.

We scored 148 goals and gave up 142 for a +6. This year we scored 145 goals and gave up 133 for a +12.

This includes the vastly superior PK of this year, so it's likely we've had the same amount of goals scored 5on5.

So, how much has this team improved from Ron Wilson to Randy Carlyle? We know the PK has been a massive improvement, but what else?

We all know what happened to that Leafs team last year - they had a playoff spot for half the season, then completely tanked the second half and finished in the bottom of the league standings.

The same thing was shaping up to happen this year, too, but the shortened season saved us from that. Now we watch as we get knocked out in 4 with ease by the Bruins, and everyone will say "It's the Bruins.. if it was anyone else, we would have been better... It's playoff jitters.. it's.. it's...".

The team sucks. Team Defense is utterly garbage, but that's like a loop. We say the same thing year after year after year. Team D is horrendous. Team D is atrocious. Team D, Team D.. and it's never fixed.

This team needs an overhaul.

People will spit on this reply and me most likely - but I guarantee you we aren't in a playoff spot next season.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Man, a coach gets a team to the playoffs for the first time in 9 years and he's getting fired after losing game one...Sheesh.

Last year under Wilson, at the 48 game mark, we had 53 points. We've improved by 4 points.

We scored 148 goals and gave up 142 for a +6. This year we scored 145 goals and gave up 133 for a +12.

This includes the vastly superior PK of this year, so it's likely we've had the same amount of goals scored 5on5.

So, how much has this team improved from Ron Wilson to Randy Carlyle? We know the PK has been a massive improvement, but what else?

We all know what happened to that Leafs team last year - they had a playoff spot for half the season, then completely tanked the second half and finished in the bottom of the league standings.

The same thing was shaping up to happen this year, too, but the shortened season saved us from that. Now we watch as we get knocked out in 4 with ease by the Bruins, and everyone will say "It's the Bruins.. if it was anyone else, we would have been better... It's playoff jitters.. it's.. it's...".

The team sucks. Team Defense is utterly garbage, but that's like a loop. We say the same thing year after year after year. Team D is horrendous. Team D is atrocious. Team D, Team D.. and it's never fixed.

This team needs an overhaul.

People will spit on this reply and me most likely - but I guarantee you we aren't in a playoff spot next season.

The PK improvement is commendable in itself.

I'm not saying that Carlyle was the reason the team is in the playoffs and remember that I was ripping on the team 2 weeks ago when this horrible play really started.

All I'm saying is management may have a hard time firing a coach that got his team to the playoffs for the 1st time in 9 years. That is all.



Plus Brystine, does it hurt when you smile?

 

[louisstamos]

People will spit on this reply and me most likely - but I guarantee you we aren't in a playoff spot next season.

I didn't realize disagreeing with someone's opinion was the equivalent of being spit on...

I have a lot of people I should probably apologize to...

 

[OldTimeHockey]

People will spit on this reply and me most likely - but I guarantee you we aren't in a playoff spot next season.

I didn't realize disagreeing with someone's opinion was the equivalent of being spit on...

I have a lot of people I should probably apologize to...

That's why I wear a rubber raincoat.

 

[Brystine]

People will spit on this reply and me most likely - but I guarantee you we aren't in a playoff spot next season.

I didn't realize disagreeing with someone's opinion was the equivalent of being spit on...

I have a lot of people I should probably apologize to...

Nah, people don't disagree with me. They slander me. Call me troll, hater and other nonsensical jibes, want me banned etc.

 

[Brystine]

Man, a coach gets a team to the playoffs for the first time in 9 years and he's getting fired after losing game one...Sheesh.

Last year under Wilson, at the 48 game mark, we had 53 points. We've improved by 4 points.

We scored 148 goals and gave up 142 for a +6. This year we scored 145 goals and gave up 133 for a +12.

This includes the vastly superior PK of this year, so it's likely we've had the same amount of goals scored 5on5.

So, how much has this team improved from Ron Wilson to Randy Carlyle? We know the PK has been a massive improvement, but what else?

We all know what happened to that Leafs team last year - they had a playoff spot for half the season, then completely tanked the second half and finished in the bottom of the league standings.

The same thing was shaping up to happen this year, too, but the shortened season saved us from that. Now we watch as we get knocked out in 4 with ease by the Bruins, and everyone will say "It's the Bruins.. if it was anyone else, we would have been better... It's playoff jitters.. it's.. it's...".

The team sucks. Team Defense is utterly garbage, but that's like a loop. We say the same thing year after year after year. Team D is horrendous. Team D is atrocious. Team D, Team D.. and it's never fixed.

This team needs an overhaul.

People will spit on this reply and me most likely - but I guarantee you we aren't in a playoff spot next season.

The PK improvement is commendable in itself.

I'm not saying that Carlyle was the reason the team is in the playoffs and remember that I was ripping on the team 2 weeks ago when this horrible play really started.

All I'm saying is management may have a hard time firing a coach that got his team to the playoffs for the 1st time in 9 years. That is all.



Plus Brystine, does it hurt when you smile?

I never give smiles away freely.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Man, a coach gets a team to the playoffs for the first time in 9 years and he's getting fired after losing game one...Sheesh.

Tyler Bozak was the first number one centre to get this team into the playoffs in 9 years and most people want him gone.

He was the only player doing anything positive last night, other than Reimer.

JVR was better than either of them.  Reimer had an off-night.  Wasn't the problem, but was an off-night.