Goaltending conundrum v3.0-Reimer or Bernier?
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bustaheims
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caveman said:
Maybe, but, it could also mean that Owuya heads to the ECHL. He's struggled with the Marlies this season.
x.jr.benchwarmer
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Reimer obviously had a bad 1st and 2nd period, (as well as the shoot-out) against the Penguins last night. But he played well in the third period, keeping the Leafs close.
Scrivens has more upside, IMHO. He has better quickness, and normally sees the puck a bit better. And, notwithstanding his awkward style, his glove hand is stronger.
It was interesting hearing from the commentators that the "book" on Reimer is to shoot it high. I really don't think that it is much of a secret, since his glove is not that good, nor has it ever looked that good. Even when he had that terrific run 2 years ago, the opposition was always trying to shoot it high on him. And it wasn't really all that fair watching Reimer in the shoot-out against Crosby since he was just overmatched trying to stop that high shot with his glove. In fact, it may be doubtful that Reimer can play at an excellent level for the entire year, given his glove, and suspect puck-handling, and bad rebound control.
But hopefully Scrivens will be able to play a significant number of games at a reasonably high level. The Leafs have had a terrific year, for their talent-level, principally because of solid goaltending, and hopefully we won't have to be stuck with a goaltender playing regularly who isn't playing well, like it has been for about the past 5 years or so.
Scrivens has more upside, IMHO. He has better quickness, and normally sees the puck a bit better. And, notwithstanding his awkward style, his glove hand is stronger.
It was interesting hearing from the commentators that the "book" on Reimer is to shoot it high. I really don't think that it is much of a secret, since his glove is not that good, nor has it ever looked that good. Even when he had that terrific run 2 years ago, the opposition was always trying to shoot it high on him. And it wasn't really all that fair watching Reimer in the shoot-out against Crosby since he was just overmatched trying to stop that high shot with his glove. In fact, it may be doubtful that Reimer can play at an excellent level for the entire year, given his glove, and suspect puck-handling, and bad rebound control.
But hopefully Scrivens will be able to play a significant number of games at a reasonably high level. The Leafs have had a terrific year, for their talent-level, principally because of solid goaltending, and hopefully we won't have to be stuck with a goaltender playing regularly who isn't playing well, like it has been for about the past 5 years or so.
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x.jr.benchwarmer said:
Refreshing post, Reimer gets so much slack with many of the posters on here. I think Reimer is a good young goalie learning the game don't get me wrong but his growing pains are often overlooked. However, in the case of Scrivens many are quick to pounce on his errors. I guess I am in the Scrivens minority and that I fully back his efforts. I think that this season anyway he should be the guy. Maybe it is his older age, maybe the fact that he had such a good season and playoff run with the Marlies last year, maybe it is that he has never failed at any level of play. Scrivens just doesn't seem to get a whole lot of respect on here, certainly not close to the degree that Reimer gets anyway.
GhostofPotvin29
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x.jr.benchwarmer said:
I laugh when I hear those kinds of comments. The "book" on almost every goalie is to shoot it high.
bustaheims
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Potvin29 said:
Yeah. On every butterfly style goalie, the shooters are told to shoot high.
OldTimeHockey
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x.jr.benchwarmer said:
How any goalie can get called 'bad' in the shootout is beyond me when you're facing Crosby and Neal...
x.jr.benchwarmer said:
I totally agree with you that Reims gets a lot more slack then Scrivens does by the fans. Is it fair, probably not...but oh well.
As of right now, Reimer is calm and quiet in the net, has better rebound control and is a better puck handler then Scrivens...
I find it crazy that you say that Scrivens has more upside then a guy that is better overall then him right now, and is 2 years younger...
Some more tweaks in Reimers style (getting him more upright and out at the top of the crease more) and I think we have a real good goalie for years to come...
leafplasma
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wc17 said:
Reimer gives up so many softies though, say what you want about Scrivens he gets the job done. Nobody brings up the fact that Scrivens also is learning his craft at the NHL level, with pretty remarkable numbers to boot, no all you hear about are his flaws. Reimer may very well end up being the guy down the road, maybe as soon as next year. Like you said he is 2 years younger and looks to be a very good young goalie. However, now that I have seen an equal dose of them both this season and with the injury thing that seems to mess with Reimer, I personally lean on Scrivens from here on out at least for this season. I just feel more confident with Scrivens in goal and he just seems to get better the more he plays. Obviously, I am very much in the minority in my thinking. I don't even believe RC when he brings up this whole 1A-1B scenario, lets see if Scrivens plays Tuesday night, I have my doubts he will. Scrivens is the Rodney Dangerfield of goaltenders.
GhostofPotvin29
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I'm not seeing the Scrivens-bashing that is being talked about.
leafplasma
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Potvin29 said:
Hardly bashing just not the same fanfare Reimer gets and it is unjust.
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leafplasma said:
Not really. Scrivens has had a far smaller sample size for people to judge him on in the NHL, so between the two it makes sense for more people to be excited about the younger goalie who has played more.
leafplasma
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Potvin29 said:
Sure but we have also seen Reimer fail. Scrivens has a small sample size I know but I will pull my punches on Scrivens until I seem him fall on his face. It may happen but until it does I will remain in his corner.
x.jr.benchwarmer
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wc17 said:
I tend to think that the upside on Scrivens is higher because we have seen Reimer for 2+ years or so. His first season, which was basically for a solid 2+months, was absolutely terrific, especially since the way that he played forced the Leafs' management to finally play him, and bench Giguere and Gus. But of course last year was a virtual waste-land of bad goaltending, bad goals, injuries (which perhaps should have dictated that he should not be playing if they were still affecting his play but nevertheless have given him some slack), and just total frustration with the Leafs goaltending amongst us Leafs fans.
I don't know if his rebound-control is really that strong, especially after the Penguins game, and again last year's lamentable rut. Of course, he is again coming back off the IR, and is rusty, but, who knows?
And I agree that he is calmer, but that often seems to be the case after he lets in a bad goal too, and I am not sure if that is a factor in goaltending, per se. But again, I guess, time will tell.
I think the biggest thing that may be lacking in Reims' game is his lack of a quick glove hand, as I noted before, and a comparative lack of quickness. He plays much better slightly a bit more out of the net, I agree with you, and he should be standing taller. But there have been many (many) bad goals, and even if he plays well, it just seems that there is that Toskala aura whenever he lets in a soft one (or two or three like against the Pens).
I certainly agree that the sample size in Scrivens' play is pretty small, but , to me at least, it seems that his glove is much better, and he has really fast reflexes, and is pretty good on rebound control. And his puck-handling is certainly not good, I agree with you, but I'm not sure that James can be described as the next Brodeur with the puck, from what I've seen at least in his play.
I'm sure hoping that Reimer can play well throughout the year.
It's just that if he isn't, he should be pulled (quite simply) in favour of Scrivens, without any political/management considerations that seemed to permeate the Burke years, especially with some of the contracts that the older guys had signed (which of course happens regularly in the NHL). It's just that the Leafs haven't resorted to playing the overpriced non-produing veterans, by and large, which is refreshing and which another commentator noted earlier, I believe.
bustaheims
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x.jr.benchwarmer said:
I can't agree with that at all. One thing I've noticed from Scrivens is that he has a ton of trouble catching pucks. Reimer struggles with it from time to time - as all young goalies do - with, with Scrivens, it's practically an epidemic. His inverted glove hand isn't helping him either.