Hank Yarbo
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lamajama said:
This is from page 341 of the "Leaf Fans Glass Half Empty" playbook
Goaltending conundrum
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This is from page 341 of the "Leaf Fans Glass Half Empty" playbook
bustaheims
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mirtle: Brian Burke says Leafs have "no interest" in bringing in Marty Turco. So much for that...
Well, that was a fun couple hours.
Well, that was a fun couple hours.
I'm not sure if the Flyers would be willing to do the Leafs any favours, but I wouldn't mind taking a look at Michael Leighton if he went through re-entry waivers.
maplesyrup
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Busta Reims said:
I still think we need help here. :-\
GhostofPotvin29
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Nobody can really answer that right now.
Optimus Reimer
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RedLeaf said:
I'm certain that even on this team with this system in place, Sawchuk would suck.
GhostofPotvin29
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Optimus Reimer said:
I did not realize Reimer was better than Sawchuk. Huh, interesting.
Optimus Reimer
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Potvin29 said:
It is just under the system the Leafs are using right now. It doesn't matter who is in net, the result will be the same.
Guilt Trip
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I don't agree with that at all. The Leafs "system" hasn't changed in the last year yet, Reimer has a fantastic record. It totally matters who's in net for these guys. Teams play differently depending who's in net.Optimus Reimer said:
Reimer's record in the NHL....
43gp 24w 10L 6OT 2.59GAA .920 SV%\
This team would still probably be flying if Reimer didn't get hurt.
bustaheims
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Optimus Reimer said:
Yeah. A decent quality goalie will win most of their games in this system, while a mediocre to poor one will not.
Guilt Trip said:
Again, I used Minnesota as an example. Without good goaltending their whole team would be shot. They aren't a strong defensive team anymore and they have less goals for than the Leafs and also have bad special teams percentages, but Josh Harding and Nicklas Backstrom are stepping up and winning them games.
This is a classic chicken-egg conundrum, but with an all star goaltender in their prime, like Pekka Rinne, Lundqvist, Backstrom then our numbers on the PK should improve. You also don't need to have a top 10 PP to get the job done necessarily: Chicago, Minnesota, Detroit and Nashville are all below us in PP% but have a better pts%.
At the same time both Detroit and Minnesota have very bad PK%. There's nothing wrong with a team outplaying their competition 5-on-5 and winning that way. While we need our special teams to improve, they won't destroy the team unless both stats are in the basement.
I think it's extremely disingenuous to say that RW is the only coach in the league that doesn't know how systems work, or is playing his team with wonky systems and that other coaches are geniuses in comparison. I wouldn't say that about a rookie coach in Minnesota for a second, and it's not like Babcock forgot how to coach special teams (hey, he's still winning!) I think we're not where we want to be and we've demonized him in order to justify our anger.
The main thread that all above teams have is superb goaltending. Like Wilson said earlier, you can't do much when your goaltenders are letting in non-scoring chances, and when their SV% are in the toilet, not because of "systems" but because of poor play and bad reads. The reason we were able to get back into the game last night was precisely because Scrivens didn't let in another stoppable puck and was able to settle down - and sometimes you need that from a goaltender.
I think some people here make it sound like goaltenders are victims of misfortune. That really takes the onus away from them and really denies how important the position really is.
Listening to Allaire talking before the game the Leafs are pretty pleased with Scrivens. He was saying that in the games that Scrivens has started (minus BOston) he is over .940 in saves. Says that the team has not been scoring much but that Scrivens has played decent except for one period with Boston.
When the conversation changed to Gus, it was clear that Gus is nothing but a backup to them.
When the conversation changed to Gus, it was clear that Gus is nothing but a backup to them.
moon111
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I don't think Allaire has helped Gustavsonn at all. To fix the last 10% of his game, it's making him look uncomfortable with the first 90%. The guys that I see do well with Allaire play a compact, wait for the shooter, play the percentage type game. Gus uses his size and then his long arms and legs to bail him out. Gus use to make high-light reel type saves, but it's just his Hasek-type style.