Goaltending conundrum

[MissConduct]

Allaire teaches the butterfly does he not? if so, the butterfly is the "NEW" nhl...

 

[Tigger]

thinking out loud but does anyone think the "new" NHL may not be suited for Allaires teachings?

I think that this is something that people in general overrate. A lot of people constantly use the argument "well, it worked in the past", "he's a proven winner", "he's done it before" etc. I think that people put too much value in the past, things change. One thing that worked for a few years ago, may not work at all today. I'm not saying that it's the case with Allaire, I'm just saying that it's just like with stocks, success in the past is not a guarantee for success in the future. So just because you've won in the past doesn't mean that it makes you a better candidate for winning today. It's about finding the best option for what's right NOW.

There's that and, well, Giguere's accomplishments in the 'new NHL' under Allaire's instruction. How the team plays as a whole is something Allaire can't control either.

 

[Stebro]

thinking out loud but does anyone think the "new" NHL may not be suited for Allaires teachings?

I think that this is something that people in general overrate. A lot of people constantly use the argument "well, it worked in the past", "he's a proven winner", "he's done it before" etc. I think that people put too much value in the past, things change. One thing that worked for a few years ago, may not work at all today. I'm not saying that it's the case with Allaire, I'm just saying that it's just like with stocks, success in the past is not a guarantee for success in the future. So just because you've won in the past doesn't mean that it makes you a better candidate for winning today. It's about finding the best option for what's right NOW.

There's that and, well, Giguere's accomplishments in the 'new NHL' under Allaire's instruction. How the team plays as a whole is something Allaire can't control either.

No, that's Wilson's major responsibility

 

[Bender]

Allaire teaches the butterfly does he not? if so, the butterfly is the "NEW" nhl...

I mean really, you can't get blood from a stone. There's only so much he can do.

 

[AvroArrow]

Think there's a chance we could snatch up Martin Biron from NYR?  He's exactly the kind of guy we need - a backup who's capable of filling in as a starter.

No.  They are playing really well with an abysmal defense, they aren't going to trade away their backup to appease an Eastern Conference rival when they are clearly trying to win.

Agreed.

I mentioned him earlier in the thread as the perfect guy to sign this summer to backup James.  Biron is actually a pseudo-No 1 on probably a number of teams.

Reimer-Biron next season, with Scrivens and Rynnas/Owuya in the A.

Right, but they don't "need" him.  They have Lundy who's probably going to play 70 games.  As long as we had something that would interest them to help them make their team better, I'm sure a deal could be made.  What it is they want, and whether we have it is up for debate.

What happened to Reimer is the very reason why NYR keeps a backup as capable as Biron... your starter goes down and you don't have someone to take over, you are in big trouble.

Shhh, don't let them know that.

 

[Peter D.]

I'm going to throw another name out there that I don't believe I've seen brought up in this thread thus far -- Ray Emery.

We all know about his past, but the money is extremely cheap and there is no commitment past this season, he'd likely come cheaper in a trade, and he has proven that he can be a pretty decent goalie if his head is on straight.

 

[AvroArrow]

I'm going to throw another name out there that I don't believe I've seen brought up in this thread thus far -- Ray Emery.

We all know about his past, but the money is extremely cheap and there is no commitment past this season, he'd likely come cheaper in a trade, and he has proven that he can be a pretty decent goalie if his head is on straight.

Possibly worth a shot, though I'd prefer a little more proven track record.

 

[caver]

Allaire teaches the butterfly does he not? if so, the butterfly is the "NEW" nhl...

I mean really, you can't get blood from a stone. There's only so much he can do.

but the situation is disappointing,what with all the hype about Allaire being the best in the business and Burke stockpiling young, highly-touted goalies. Reimer was a nice surprise last year and hopefully a quality tender for years, but the Monster is suspect as to whether he can play at this level. If  one of Scrivens, Rynnas or Owuya don't blossom into good NHL goalie then Allaire may not be the goalie guru everyone says he is (except Vesa Toskala)

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Allaire teaches the butterfly does he not? if so, the butterfly is the "NEW" nhl...

I mean really, you can't get blood from a stone. There's only so much he can do.

but the situation is disappointing,what with all the hype about Allaire being the best in the business and Burke stockpiling young, highly-touted goalies. Reimer was a nice surprise last year and hopefully a quality tender for years, but the Monster is suspect as to whether he can play at this level. If  one of Scrivens, Rynnas or Owuya don't blossom into good NHL goalie then Allaire may not be the goalie guru everyone says he is (except Vesa Toskala)

Because it's not an exact science - just because we have Allaire does not mean everything he touch is going to turn into gold.  It's a process, and an ongoing process, that involves a lot of work and patience.

 

[Bender]

Allaire teaches the butterfly does he not? if so, the butterfly is the "NEW" nhl...

I mean really, you can't get blood from a stone. There's only so much he can do.

but the situation is disappointing,what with all the hype about Allaire being the best in the business and Burke stockpiling young, highly-touted goalies. Reimer was a nice surprise last year and hopefully a quality tender for years, but the Monster is suspect as to whether he can play at this level. If  one of Scrivens, Rynnas or Owuya don't blossom into good NHL goalie then Allaire may not be the goalie guru everyone says he is (except Vesa Toskala)

Because it's not an exact science - just because we have Allaire does not mean everything he touch is going to turn into gold.  It's a process, and an ongoing process, that involves a lot of work and patience.

Why is the teacher the problem and not the pupil? Teaching technique and having the pupil execute are entirely different things. Not everyone is cut out to be in the best league in the world, so you'll have to turn over a few rocks before you find a gold nugget.

 

[leafplasma]

Mark Owuya continues to tear up the AHL.  Another first star last night in a Marlie win.

In 5 games since Scrivens call up he has a GAA of 1.40 and a save % of .945.  He has snatched the number one spot from Rynnas who has been putting up Gus type numbers for the Marlies this season. 

With the Marlies playing 3 games in 3 nights though Rynnas should get the start tonight with Owuya playing again Sunday.

It will be interesting how this all pans out once Scrivens is returned, Rynnas may find himself in the ECHL if he will go.

 

[nutman]

And this is all great news for the leafs.  ;D

 

[caver]

and to put a little more sting into the goalie situation; Giguere is playing very well for the Avs.

 

[Madferret]

Scrivennston?

 

[Bender]

and to put a little more sting into the goalie situation; Giguere is playing very well for the Avs.

Yeah. Apparently this was one of the first off seasons where he didn't have to rehab something in a long time.

 

[Pucken Chronic]

I'm still a little uneasy with everybody seeming to think once Reimer is back we're good to go. We are putting a crapload of responsibility on a kid that's played what? 50ish games? I like him, I hope he's what we saw for half a season last year but man, we sure seem to have all our goaltending eggs in one basket.

 

[Strangelove]

and to put a little more sting into the goalie situation; Giguere is playing very well for the Avs.

Yeah. Apparently this was one of the first off seasons where he didn't have to rehab something in a long time.

It's also a season where he doesn't have to play behind the Leafs' defensive systems, which have made a whole lot of goalies look pretty bad in recent years.

 

[Tigger]

He also had obvious and significant injury issues.

While playing for a young-ish team learning a tough system as a group and a bit of a revolving door roster didn't help I don't think one can deny that Gigueres health had a notable effect on his play last year.

 

[Redleaf]

I'm still a little uneasy with everybody seeming to think once Reimer is back we're good to go. We are putting a crapload of responsibility on a kid that's played what? 50ish games? I like him, I hope he's what we saw for half a season last year but man, we sure seem to have all our goaltending eggs in one basket.

I'm surprised Burke didn't a) keep Giggy or b) go get another vet when Reimer went down.

While I hold out more hope than you that Reimer can get the job done, I wish they had another option besides Scrivens & Gus should he falter or get injured again.

 

[Bender]

and to put a little more sting into the goalie situation; Giguere is playing very well for the Avs.

Yeah. Apparently this was one of the first off seasons where he didn't have to rehab something in a long time.

It's also a season where he doesn't have to play behind the Leafs' defensive systems, which have made a whole lot of goalies look pretty bad in recent years.

I don't agree with this view at all.