Grabovski Bought Out

[GhostofPotvin29]

He was never given a chance to be a #1 C on the Leafs, and I don't know why.

But that would have meant that he gels with Kessel, which you know he doesn't.

What evidence is there of that?  Kessel has shown he can score with pretty much anyone, so where does that come from?

Watching them play together. It wasn't a long term thing, but you could tell that they weren't in lock-step. Grabo was always going off-side, or Kessel was way ahead of him causing an off-side.

This is just what I saw from the small amount of time they played together.

They hardly ever got a chance to play together.  There's only a small sample size, but check out the graph of Grabovski playing alongside Kessel and the shots-for vs shots-against when they're on together - versus when they're not, and compared with other duos: http://theleafsnation.com/2013/6/20/mythbusters-tyler-bozak-edition?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

It's likely too small of a sample to make any long-term projections, but it's enough to say that it couldn't be a case of not clicking.  They got chances together when on the ice.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Just read Grabo is getting married tomorrow.  Feel bad for the guy.  :-\

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

I don't think he would have done it otherwise. Or at least that's what I think. I suppose Nonis could make himself look bad, but I doubt it.

This is the first really questionable move he's made so far. There's been others that people may not have agreed with, but they were very much of the minor variety. I hope this plays out well, but I really fear this has "Bozak extension" or "overpaying Clarkson" written all over it, which, as far as I'm concerned, are really really really poor moves.

What else are you going to do with a player that doesn't fit? Mirtle was saying that the coaching staff was at a loss on what to do with Grabovski and with the Leafs having a free buyout and more money than most NHL teams, it seems like a no brainer to me.

I'm sure Nonis has been trying for days to get something for him, but you can't force a trade that nobody wants. If they ate salary for a trade, they'd be in worse shape than just buying him out. Now they are free and clear. I see this as Burke's fault for signing the deal in the first place.

I think Nonis has found something of a good trade, it can't be just for Bozak, although I wouldn't rule out an extension either.

 

[bschepes]

Man Im going to be so disappointed if this is to get Bozak to a similar contract or over pay for Clarkson.

but Ill reserve my judgement until we see what comes next.

 

[caver]

Just read Grabo is getting married tomorrow.  Feel bad for the guy.  :-\

Don't . He just got a raise.

 

[lamajama]

Based on what Nonis has been saying re Bozak, this is pretty clearly not a move to make space to sign him (they probably could have done that with the space they had already).  There's almost certainly something else in place.  It really doesn't make sense otherwise.

Love that Nonis is able and willing to make tough decisions.  Tomorrow should be interesting.

JFJ made tough decisions too. Should I elaborate? 

I guess it makes it easier to love the tough decisions when you happen to totally agree with them.

Absolutely! But since Leaf Nation can't agree on if the sun comes up in the East....we will always have 100 page threads on the signing of a new trainer... ;D

 

[Kin]

They hardly ever got a chance to play together.  There's only a small sample size, but check out the graph of Grabovski playing alongside Kessel and the shots-for vs shots-against when they're on together - versus when they're not, and compared with other duos: http://theleafsnation.com/2013/6/20/mythbusters-tyler-bozak-edition?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

It's likely too small of a sample to make any long-term projections, but it's enough to say that it couldn't be a case of not clicking.  They got chances together when on the ice.

Sure, except "shots" are not typically what people mean when they say "chances".

 

[lamajama]

Just read Grabo is getting married tomorrow.  Feel bad for the guy.  :-\

Don't . He just got a raise.

I bet he ends up in Detroit.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I don't think he would have done it otherwise. Or at least that's what I think. I suppose Nonis could make himself look bad, but I doubt it.

This is the first really questionable move he's made so far. There's been others that people may not have agreed with, but they were very much of the minor variety. I hope this plays out well, but I really fear this has "Bozak extension" or "overpaying Clarkson" written all over it, which, as far as I'm concerned, are really really really poor moves.

What else are you going to do with a player that doesn't fit? Mirtle was saying that the coaching staff was at a loss on what to do with Grabovski and with the Leafs having a free buyout and more money than most NHL teams, it seems like a no brainer to me.

That's such a cop out.  "Doesn't fit."  What, being skilled doesn't fit with the Leafs plans?  I see Colton Orr remains a "fit."

Carlyle was too stubborn and dumb to use Grabovski as anything more than a checking player last season and it's led to this.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

They hardly ever got a chance to play together.  There's only a small sample size, but check out the graph of Grabovski playing alongside Kessel and the shots-for vs shots-against when they're on together - versus when they're not, and compared with other duos: http://theleafsnation.com/2013/6/20/mythbusters-tyler-bozak-edition?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

It's likely too small of a sample to make any long-term projections, but it's enough to say that it couldn't be a case of not clicking.  They got chances together when on the ice.

So you don't remember the lack of cohesion when they were on the ice together? Grabbo likes to do it by himself, it wouldn't surprise me that those guys were getting shots off their own rushes.

This is just my opinion, lots of people see this as a bad move, but it's not like it was easy for the Leafs to make, or it would have happened before Komisarek's buyout. I'm positive they have been debating this internally for quite a while with the input of Carlyle and what he wants going forward.

 

[Jalili]

We might as well reserve judgment at this point til tomorrow.

I liked Grabovski a lot and it's going to be really difficult to replace his speed/skill, and terrific motor. He was one of the most resilient players on the team and there's no doubt in my mind that he could have rebounded.

If the cap space is being used on Bozak and Clarkson, then we're going to be taking a big step backward.

 

[Rick C.]

I like Grabbo, and usually like his play, but to me - he had a weak playoff series.  He had little impact on scoring, and his defence was non-existent.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

They hardly ever got a chance to play together.  There's only a small sample size, but check out the graph of Grabovski playing alongside Kessel and the shots-for vs shots-against when they're on together - versus when they're not, and compared with other duos: http://theleafsnation.com/2013/6/20/mythbusters-tyler-bozak-edition?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

It's likely too small of a sample to make any long-term projections, but it's enough to say that it couldn't be a case of not clicking.  They got chances together when on the ice.

So you don't remember the lack of cohesion when they were on the ice together? Grabbo likes to do it by himself, it wouldn't surprise me that those guys were getting shots off their own rushes.

This is just my opinion, lots of people see this as a bad move, but it's not like it was easy for the Leafs to make, or it would have happened before Komisarek's buyout. I'm positive they have been debating this internally for quite a while with the input of Carlyle and what he wants going forward.

I've never felt Grabovski likes to do it himself, if anything I thought when the line with Kulemin-MacArthur was so good they were all dishing the puck to one another effectively.  And besides, Kessel has shown himself to be a great passer as well as shooter.

 

[bustaheims]

Don't . He just got a raise.

Only if he signs a contract that more than makes up for the difference between his actual salary and the amount he'll get each year for the next 8 years because of the buyout. This isn't a lump sum payment. He gets 2/3 of the value of his current contract paid out over twice the remaining length. As things stand right now, he actually took a pretty steep pay cut.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

That's such a cop out.  "Doesn't fit."  What, being skilled doesn't fit with the Leafs plans?  I see Colton Orr remains a "fit."

Carlyle was too stubborn and dumb to use Grabovski as anything more than a checking player last season and it's led to this.

I'm sure that if Kadri wasn't a member of the Leafs, Grabbo would still be manning the second line here.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Just read Grabo is getting married tomorrow.  Feel bad for the guy.  :-\

Don't . He just got a raise.

I bet he ends up in Detroit.

Second that

 

[caver]

Don't . He just got a raise.

Only if he signs a contract that more than makes up for the difference between his actual salary and the amount he'll get each year for the next 8 years because of the buyout. This isn't a lump sum payment. He gets 2/3 of the value of his current contract paid out over twice the remaining length. As things stand right now, he actually took a pretty steep pay cut.

Sure. As of today. But if he signs elsewhere for 2 million or more he gets a raise. And that is very likely.

 

[bustaheims]

Sure. As of today. But if he signs elsewhere for 2 million or more he gets a raise. And that is very likely.

He'd actually have to sign at close to $4M to earn more this season than he would have before the buyout.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

I've never felt Grabovski likes to do it himself, if anything I thought when the line with Kulemin-MacArthur was so good they were all dishing the puck to one another effectively.  And besides, Kessel has shown himself to be a great passer as well as shooter.

I guess I'm on an island to myself, because I saw Grabbo as a selfish player. I'm not saying that he never passed, but he often neglected the pass in favour of the shot, even at a poor angle.

I get that you don't like this move, but you may want to wait and see what Nonis does in the next little while. It's not even that I dislike Grabbo, I liked him under Wilson, but not so much under Carlyle and one of them isn't the coach anymore.

 

[Rebel_1812]

I'm surprised.  I thought they could have traded him or since bozak likely won't be signed they would keep him for another year.  However with the cap going down I guess no one wants a bad contract and that is want Grabbo is.  I know alot of people here refuse to believe there is anything negative with him, but you got to admit he didn't live up to his contract.