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Here's how you trade Kessel....

Rob Rossi one of the Pittsburgh beat guys was claiming the supposed framework was:

Scuderi, Kunitz, 2016 1st round pick and Derrick Pouliot....no thanks.
 
Heroic Shrimp said:
Is there not some consideration that a Kessel trade won't happen until July 1 or later because he's due a signing bonus on that day?

Yeah, that's the word, but a team that has deep pockets might go for it if there's some motivation there.

L K said:
Rob Rossi one of the Pittsburgh beat guys was claiming the supposed framework was:

Scuderi, Kunitz, 2016 1st round pick and Derrick Pouliot....no thanks.

Not great, no, but Scuderi and Kunitz could be flipped, especially two deadlines from now. A first and a young defensive prospect isn't horrible ( Pouliot went 8th overall in 2012, fwiw ) I think this is the kind of framework that the Leafs will have to look at no matter for Phil.
 
Tigger said:
Heroic Shrimp said:
Is there not some consideration that a Kessel trade won't happen until July 1 or later because he's due a signing bonus on that day?

Yeah, that's the word, but a team that has deep pockets might go for it if there's some motivation there.

L K said:
Rob Rossi one of the Pittsburgh beat guys was claiming the supposed framework was:

Scuderi, Kunitz, 2016 1st round pick and Derrick Pouliot....no thanks.

Not great, no, but Scuderi and Kunitz could be flipped, especially two deadlines from now. A first and a young defensive prospect isn't horrible ( Pouliot went 8th overall in 2012, fwiw ) I think this is the kind of framework that the Leafs will have to look at no matter for Phil.

I guess I'm just a little wary of Pittsburgh prospects...who have the drafted in the last 7 years that has actually been any good?
 
Tigger said:
Not great, no, but Scuderi and Kunitz could be flipped, especially two deadlines from now. A first and a young defensive prospect isn't horrible ( Pouliot went 8th overall in 2012, fwiw ) I think this is the kind of framework that the Leafs will have to look at no matter for Phil.

That's my thinking. If you figure that Kunitz and Scuderi could then be flipped for a first and a second respectively it would be Kessel for two firsts, a second and an ok prospect. Not the best return in the world but if the Leafs are seriously entertaining it then it should tell you that there's not much better out there.
 
L K said:
I guess I'm just a little wary of Pittsburgh prospects...who have the drafted in the last 7 years that has actually been any good?

Fair enough, that's where, hopefully, you have the Leaf braintrust to lean on and decide if Pouliot is for real. If not, that could scuttle the deal.
 
Tigger said:
Not great, no, but Scuderi and Kunitz could be flipped, especially two deadlines from now. A first and a young defensive prospect isn't horrible ( Pouliot went 8th overall in 2012, fwiw ) I think this is the kind of framework that the Leafs will have to look at no matter for Phil.

Pouliot's junior and AHL numbers are certainly impressive. He would be a nice asset to add, but, to take on two cap dumps like that, I'd be disappointed if the Leafs didn't get something more from Pittsburgh out of the deal.
 
bustaheims said:
Pouliot's junior and AHL numbers are certainly impressive. He would be a nice asset to add, but, to take on two cap dumps like that, I'd be disappointed if the Leafs didn't get something more from Pittsburgh out of the deal.

Maybe but not a lot if anything more, currently.
 
Tigger said:
Maybe but not a lot if anything more, currently.

I don't know. I'd think a 2nd round pick or equivalent prospect would be in order. Take Kunitz away from playing with Crosby/Malkin, and he could become a really tough sell for the Leafs in the future. He's getting up there in age and had a pretty mediocre season. I'm honestly not sure the Leafs could flip him for much value right now with 2 years left on his contract, and I don't see his value improving. I have similar concerns about Scuderi if the Leafs can't flip him right away. To take both those risks on, the Leafs would need something of value in addition to what they'd consider fair value for Kessel.
 
Tigger said:
bustaheims said:
Pouliot's junior and AHL numbers are certainly impressive. He would be a nice asset to add, but, to take on two cap dumps like that, I'd be disappointed if the Leafs didn't get something more from Pittsburgh out of the deal.

Maybe but not a lot if anything more, currently.

Considering Kessel will most likely be dead weight before his deal is up, I doubt you will get much more.  Maybe a better prospect
 
If that proposed Penguins deal is on the table and nothing better emerges over the next, I don't know- two weeks, the Leafs should take it and move on.

You would think a Kessel trade would return more, but if that's Kessel's value, so be it. At least the Leafs get another 1st round pick next year, likely in the 20-30 range and a perhaps decent prospect. The cap dump contracts they'd take on expire after 2 seasons and they might be trade deadline bait in the meantime. The Leafs wouldn't be retaining any of Kessel's salary.

Not a home run trade, but I'm not really expecting one, especially if there really are no other teams involved.
 
It should be noted that Pittsburgh fans consider the likelihood that Rob Rossi has actual insider information on any Penguins trade proposals to be dubious at best.  He has burned bridges with their management and they can't stand him.
 
Heroic Shrimp said:
It should be noted that Pittsburgh fans consider the likelihood that Rob Rossi has actual insider information on any Penguins trade proposals to be dubious at best.  He has burned bridges with their management and they can't stand him.

Rob Rossi is to Pittsburgh like Steve Simmons is to Toronto? Or Damien Cox?
 
I wonder if Kessel ever knew the ripple effect his conditioning, coach-killing, and snubbing fans would go?  Maybe he just expected there to be teams lined up to trade for him and he could get what he wanted?  Sorry this is the fish bowl of hockey and even fans, coaches, general managers, etcetera of other teams will know what's been going on.

If he did a turn-around, not only would Kessel benefit by being moved to a likely competitive team, but the Leafs would receive some form of compensation that would help with the rebuild.
 

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