Highlander
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Is that a shot from Doctor Nik or is that Nik being given a shot. Damn the tank, on with the rebuild
How to know when to stop tanking?
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Highlander
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Is that a shot from Doctor Nik or is that Nik being given a shot. Damn the tank, on with the rebuild
Kin
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Highlander said:
Which is where we get back to that being incredibly shortsighted. If there was a point to tanking it was to land very high draft picks. The Maple Leafs have not picked in the top 3 and may not again this year. What you're arguing for is for "the Tank" to come to an end before the Leafs have had a single draft pick as a result of it.
Highlander
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No Nick I expect to draft in the Top 4 then we can get on with trying to win
herman
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Highlander said:
I think Nik's point is that one Top 4 pick this year will not make enough of a difference to compete for championships on a regular basis. It certainly moves the needle up a few ticks, but we need the needle to go all the way into the red zone on the other end of the dial. That means collecting as many top 5, top 10 picks that we are able to and developing them to the point where it makes more sense to 'go for it' that year (trade futures for established talent), rather than to stay reserved and future focused (i.e. sell UFAs, trade currently good players for prospects/picks).
An ongoing rebuild (routinely buying players with prospects and picks) would just put us back in the middle, like we were after the Salary Cap was implemented. 8th, 9th, 10th... the worst place to be in the standings after the season is over.
bustaheims
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Highlander said:
Yeah . . . no. You don't "get on with trying to win" until the group of young players and prospects show themselves to be capable of doing do. A good portion of the prospects we're excited about won't amount to much - that's just the nature of the beast. There's still a long way to go before the team can focus on building towards the next step. They certainly can't get there until they've clearly completed this step.
Right now, the Leafs have a bunch of eggs, and you're off counting chickens.
Highlander
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Looks like the Eggs are starting to squawk a bit. I agree with all of you and will let Shanny, Lou, Dubas and Hunter to the handiwork. I think I am going to shut the f up now
bustaheims
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Highlander said:
No. Outside of 3 or 4 of them, they're all still very much just eggs.
Kin
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herman said:
Nik's point is more that we have no idea what a top 4 pick will yield and so the extent to which it might move the needle is an unknown. We have a pretty good idea about who's going #1 and that he'll be a pretty good NHLer. At #4? None of us know what those players being talked about there will be. We don't even know what the Finnish players will be. We shouldn't be building around them until we do.
It's not about faith or lack of it in Shanahan or Hunter or Lamoriello either. Dean Lombardi, who probably has as good a claim as anyone to being the best GM in the game right now, used a top 4 pick on Thomas Hickey. Top 4, top 5, top 8...those just aren't sure things.
Highlander
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There is no sure thing anywhere, Oh I forgot about Death and Taxes
bustaheims
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Highlander said:
Even taxes aren't a sure thing.
mr grieves
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bustaheims said:
And, depending on your income, death might be on the run too: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2005/05/the-coming-death-shortage/304105/
GhostofPotvin29
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Not sure why it's gone on 6 pages when the answer is: "When it feels right."
louisstamos
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Potvin29 said:
Where's that "Out of Context Quotes" thread when you need it?
Highlander
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I like it Potvin, keep up the good work old Chap
LuncheonMeat
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Potvin29 said:
You mean like this?
mr grieves
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Does it feel right yet?
I guess a winning core needs: 1C, 1W, 2C, 2W/3C, 1D, 2D... G? (I don't know that it really needs a G)
Are we there yet....?
I guess a winning core needs: 1C, 1W, 2C, 2W/3C, 1D, 2D... G? (I don't know that it really needs a G)
Are we there yet....?
bustaheims
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mr grieves said:
We won't know until the prospects actually prove themselves capable of over a full NHL season. So, no, we're not there yet. We're still at least a full season away from being able to say this team is in position to start building towards the next step. Most of the players people are pencilling in as part of the team's future core have played less than 20 NHL games so far. They're still basically unknown quantities at the NHL level.