Hyman Signed

[Andy007]

Well it's not a huge number or anything but I really don't see him bringing anything more to the table than what you could get for someone as a cheap FA.

He would barely crack my starting lineup:

Marleau Matthews Nylander
Komarov Kadri  Marner
JVR Bozak Brown
Leivo Moore Hyman

And really, without the puzzling Martin over Leipsic decision, I'm not even sure I'd guarantee him that 12th spot with Leipsic in the mix.

 

[Bullfrog]

Until/unless a trade happens, we are all in agreement that Hyman is NOT one of our 6 best wingers, right? He's 100% on the 4th line as things stand right now.

I think we can agree on that.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

It just seems like such a strange move to re-sign someone to a long-term contract when he has only 1 season under his belt, and it was a season that saw him play a 5-on-5 role that he's not expected to remain in at any point in the future. What would have been the harm to sign him to a cheap 1-year contract and then re-evaluate him next summer? Would he have really earned a deal worth MORE than this after his point totals probably get cut in half-ish?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

He's a useful player, it's not about the numbers for him. He goes in there and digs for all 82 games. If you think you're getting a useful player in this league for under $2-million AAV you're dreaming.

Dominic Moore probably does a lot of the same things Hyman does in terms of compete level, digging for pucks, and killing penalties. He also has the added benefit of being great at faceoffs. And he scored just 3 points less than Hyman did last season while playing 4th line minutes with guys like Riley Nash, Tim Schaller, Orlando Boyd, Noel Acciari, and Anton Blidh. Those guys are such unknown scrubs that you probably didn't even realize that I completely made one of those names up. And we signed him for only $1mil.

 

[Bender]

Until/unless a trade happens, we are all in agreement that Hyman is NOT one of our 6 best wingers, right? He's 100% on the 4th line as things stand right now.

I think we can agree on that.

Maybe they think he can chip in a few more but at the same time he was playing with the best rookie in hockey last season almost all year and converted 10 goals, and I'm sure the assists are inflated. I kind of wonder if he was a mirage player by playing with AM. I don't think that's really good value and quite the time commitment, but I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Zee]

He's a useful player, it's not about the numbers for him. He goes in there and digs for all 82 games. If you think you're getting a useful player in this league for under $2-million AAV you're dreaming.

Dominic Moore probably does a lot of the same things Hyman does in terms of compete level, digging for pucks, and killing penalties. He also has the added benefit of being great at faceoffs. And he scored just 3 points less than Hyman did last season while playing 4th line minutes with guys like Riley Nash, Tim Schaller, Orlando Boyd, Noel Acciari, and Anton Blidh. Those guys are such unknown scrubs that you probably didn't even realize that I completely made one of those names up. And we signed him for only $1mil.

When you put it that way, geez.  Great bargain on Moore compared to this Hyman contract.  Wonder where the need for a 4 year deal was coming from?  I know Babcock loves Hyman but c'mon, he's not irreplaceable.

 

[herman]

There's a chance Hyman's box stats gets a boost from playing against weaker competition if he's lower on the lineup. His 6% sh% is characteristically lower than his career would suggest. He had that explosive senior year with Michigan where he was probably in an overmatch position to succeed and did so.

The 2.25M for the prime years of a middle 6 winger that can play hard 5v5 and PK minutes and still chip in goals occasionally/accidentally in any lineup role is not entirely out to lunch. He's not getting paid by us again after this.

My hope is that Hyman supplants both Martin and Komarov as defensive good pro winger. One of those contracts on the team is good; three at the same time is stupid. Of the three, I'd rather it be Hyman.

 

[KadriFan]

It's a shame Lou and Babcock aren't as good at their jobs as you guys.  Geez.... 

 

[Zee]

There's a chance Hyman's box stats gets a boost from playing against weaker competition if he's lower on the lineup. His 6% sh% is characteristically lower than his career would suggest. He had that explosive senior year with Michigan where he was probably in an overmatch position to succeed and did so.

How do you conclude that 6% SH% is lower than his career would suggest?  He only had 16 other games before last season.  Maybe 6% is what he shoots?  (in 98 career games now he's 7.3%)

 

[Zee]

It's a shame Lou and Babcock aren't as good at their jobs as you guys.  Geez....

Nothing wrong in questioning how a guy got as much money and term as he did.  Hyman isn't exactly a proven player, he's had 1 full season, played with the best player the organization has had in 20 years and only managed 10 goals.  I hazard to guess that someone like Kapanen could have produced way more had he been planted beside Matthews all year long.  Guys like Hyman actually do grow on trees.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Ah, the old appeal to authority argument. Yes, Lou Lamoriello and Mike Babcock have literally never made a mistake before in their hockey careers. No hockey GM or coach ever has actually. Who am I to question them. My bad.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

How do you conclude that 6% SH% is lower than his career would suggest?  He only had 16 other games before last season.  Maybe 6% is what he shoots?  (in 98 career games now he's 7.3%)

Shooting league average would have earned him a whooping 2-3 extra goals this season.

 

[herman]

There's a chance Hyman's box stats gets a boost from playing against weaker competition if he's lower on the lineup. His 6% sh% is characteristically lower than his career would suggest. He had that explosive senior year with Michigan where he was probably in an overmatch position to succeed and did so.

How do you conclude that 6% SH% is lower than his career would suggest?  He only had 16 other games before last season.  Maybe 6% is what he shoots?  (in 98 career games now he's 7.3%)

He is shooting consistently from high danger areas, and really his only shooting problem was that he was too close at times, due to skating into the pile with his head down. I don't have corsica's numbers available now, but during the year, he was consistently underperforming his xGF.

When he was on the PK, he didn't go as deep, and in transition plays, he showed capable hands. I think he can be better when he's not playing a deferential top line role on his off wing with players that think faster than he does.

 

[herman]

So all I'm trying to say is, 2.25M for a middle six winger in his prime is a pretty good deal.

I think it looks like an overpay because we're carrying other baggage.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

So all I'm trying to say is, 2.25M for a middle six winger in his prime is a pretty good deal.

I think that calling him a middle six winger (which suggests he can be a 2nd liner) is still very, very much open to debate. Without Matthews, he could very well just be a (pretty good) 4th liner. And at best, I still think "bottom-6" is still his classifier.

 

[Frank E]

So all I'm trying to say is, 2.25M for a middle six winger in his prime is a pretty good deal.

I think that calling him a middle six winger (which suggests he can be a 2nd liner) is still very, very much open to debate. Without Matthews, he could very well just be a (pretty good) 4th liner.

You don't think he could replace Komarov?

 

[herman]

So all I'm trying to say is, 2.25M for a middle six winger in his prime is a pretty good deal.

I think that calling him a middle six winger (which suggests he can be a 2nd liner) is still very, very much open to debate. Without Matthews, he could very well just be a (pretty good) 4th liner.

I'd say he's an exceptional 4th, but has the tools to move up the line up (and trust of the coach, which we are bound to for a good stretch). He played fairly well in a sheltered scoring line with Nylander for the last chunk of that lost season, and didn't get snowed under playing 1st line (but didn't really produce either). Defensive conscience of a 2nd line isn't out of the question, in my mind.

Either way, he's not going to be the prime scoring option, but he's also not going to be a liability.

 

[herman]

We're at 48/50 SPCs before Brown signs. I'm pretty sure we're going to shed some roster spots.

 

[herman]

https://theleafsnation.com/2017/07/06/paying-the-small-price-for-utility/

Convergent evolution towards the same discussion.

 

[ZBBM]

There's a chance Hyman's box stats gets a boost from playing against weaker competition if he's lower on the lineup. His 6% sh% is characteristically lower than his career would suggest. He had that explosive senior year with Michigan where he was probably in an overmatch position to succeed and did so.

How do you conclude that 6% SH% is lower than his career would suggest?  He only had 16 other games before last season.  Maybe 6% is what he shoots?  (in 98 career games now he's 7.3%)

He is shooting consistently from high danger areas, and really his only shooting problem was that he was too close at times, due to skating into the pile with his head down. I don't have corsica's numbers available now, but during the year, he was consistently underperforming his xGF.

When he was on the PK, he didn't go as deep, and in transition plays, he showed capable hands. I think he can be better when he's not playing a deferential top line role on his off wing with players that think faster than he does.

I'm wondering if this is the primary reason they want him.