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Hyman Signed
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herman said:
Going back to the 14/15 season and looking ahead to all future signed contracts, he's the only non-veteran (under 30) player to have some sort of NTC that I can find with a cap hit below $3mil. This is not standard practice for guys like him.
edit: I meant forward. Karl Alzner had one (a 5-team no trade list) in the 4th year of his 4-year contract that just expired.
herman
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https://theathletic.com/73678/2017/07/07/mirtle-yes-zach-hyman-is-now-a-core-piece-for-the-maple-leafs/
The m-NTC is a sign of his value to the team, whether that is erroneous or not. It's a weird profile of player to consider core, but if the alternative is considering Komarov or Martin core, then eh. I'd say Hyman is part of the hard outer shell of the core. Not outright expendable, but if another team really wanted what he was offering for a strong offer, we'd let him be on his merry way.
I like Mirtle's comparison of Hyman to Winnik. A younger, faster, probably more offensively skilled, possession-driving glue guy. If he had been revealed earlier, I'm pretty certain we wouldn't have bothered with pursuing Martin.
The m-NTC is a sign of his value to the team, whether that is erroneous or not. It's a weird profile of player to consider core, but if the alternative is considering Komarov or Martin core, then eh. I'd say Hyman is part of the hard outer shell of the core. Not outright expendable, but if another team really wanted what he was offering for a strong offer, we'd let him be on his merry way.
I like Mirtle's comparison of Hyman to Winnik. A younger, faster, probably more offensively skilled, possession-driving glue guy. If he had been revealed earlier, I'm pretty certain we wouldn't have bothered with pursuing Martin.
Bullfrog
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herman said:
I'm not so sure about that. Small sample of course, but Hyman and Winnik's career ppg are essentially identical. I also don't think Hyman's emergence -- if you can call it that -- would have had any bearing on signing Martin. Martin was never moving off the 4th line and doesn't see a second of PP or SH time.
herman said:
Last season a 31-year old Daniel Winnik put up 25 points in 72 games (0.34 PPG) while playing with Jay Beagle and Tom Wilson. Hyman scored at that exact same pace with Matthews and Nylander/Brown.
Winnik's a UFA and could probably be signed for $1-1.5mil.
herman
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Bullfrog said:
Babcock tried Martin out on the PK early on (he's big, and can skate, why not?) and quickly nixed that idea.
As Mirtle (and Jeff Veillette) indicated in their respective articles, we're at the ground floor of Hyman's NHL career. Komarov's contract looked terrible for his numbers initially, but he outperformed his valuation pretty much right away starting at an older age. I'm no scout or whatever, but I see room for growth with the tools at hand and enough runway to actually achieve it.
Highlander
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best trade ever? or just a good one, Greg Beer Can McKegg for Zach the Ferrat Hyman. And I mean that with all affection. Zack is a digger and they are good ones despite the stone hands.
herman
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https://theathletic.com/113938/2017/10/02/mirtle-why-zach-hyman-will-likely-score-more-for-the-leafs-this-season/
Hyman cut his left hand fairly badly on Gallagher's visor during their tussle. Fighting is stupid.
The rest of the article makes the argument that I already made in this thread.
I maintain that a JvR-Hyman would be nearly the ultimate winger, and if they can both push each other it'd be madness to have two of them*.
* Hyman will never be as good as JvR on offense, and JvR will never be as good as Hyman on the backcheck/forecheck/midcheck/checkers.
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Hyman cut his left hand fairly badly on Gallagher's visor during their tussle. Fighting is stupid.
The rest of the article makes the argument that I already made in this thread.
I maintain that a JvR-Hyman would be nearly the ultimate winger, and if they can both push each other it'd be madness to have two of them*.
* Hyman will never be as good as JvR on offense, and JvR will never be as good as Hyman on the backcheck/forecheck/midcheck/checkers.
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mr grieves
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herman said:
It's also not exactly Mirtle's best work. The article's got a nice mix of narrative, interviews, and data -- but I think the most likely explanation for the "something weird was going on" is toward the end of the article:
Has there been a guy without an NHL scorer's hands playing with two superstars for an entire season? Guys like that tend, I'd think, to find their way to the bottom of the lineup -- Hyman hasn't.
herman
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https://twitter.com/draglikepull/status/914934138230181888
Babcock declared today that Hyman was the best forechecker in the NHL.
Per the tweet above, it's not showing up in the Passing Project data (shot-assists, i.e. passes that lead to shots). This is pretty similar to the tweets a couple of weeks ago about Matthews'/Hyman's Loose Puck Recovery stats (that aren't publicly available).
Having watched most of the games last season, I know why it's not showing up, and I don't have a problem with it.
Babcock declared today that Hyman was the best forechecker in the NHL.
Per the tweet above, it's not showing up in the Passing Project data (shot-assists, i.e. passes that lead to shots). This is pretty similar to the tweets a couple of weeks ago about Matthews'/Hyman's Loose Puck Recovery stats (that aren't publicly available).
Having watched most of the games last season, I know why it's not showing up, and I don't have a problem with it.
mr grieves
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herman said:
Recency bias.
That line ended strong. Matthews-Hyman-Brown/Nylander at even strength was pretty up and down and had a pretty rough stretch between the all-star break and last few weeks of the season.
herman
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Just checking in on my new Seth Griffith:
Oh look, better shooting percentage when not driving all the way into the crease. I think it'll dip to between 8-9% by the end of the season, and he'll probably get 13 goals if his shooting rate holds steady.
It's still a bit early, but I think we've got a better picture of what Zach Hyman can do. 8 of his 11 pts are primary pts, but even when he's not hitting the scoresheet directly, he is freeing up pucks for his (more skilled) linemates to scoop up, and tying up defensemen.
Last night, he was the victim of circumstance, being pushed from behind so that his stick poked Raanta in the pads, causing Matthews' storybook goal to be disallowed.
| GP | avgTOI | G | A | Pts | SH% | CF% | |
| YTD | 22 | 17:08 | 4 | 7 | 11 | 10.80% | 52.30% |
| Pace | 82 | 15 | 26 | 41 |
Oh look, better shooting percentage when not driving all the way into the crease. I think it'll dip to between 8-9% by the end of the season, and he'll probably get 13 goals if his shooting rate holds steady.
It's still a bit early, but I think we've got a better picture of what Zach Hyman can do. 8 of his 11 pts are primary pts, but even when he's not hitting the scoresheet directly, he is freeing up pucks for his (more skilled) linemates to scoop up, and tying up defensemen.
Last night, he was the victim of circumstance, being pushed from behind so that his stick poked Raanta in the pads, causing Matthews' storybook goal to be disallowed.
bustaheims
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Quietly on pace for 15 goals and 43 points. Not bad for $2.25M per.