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Idiocracy

CarltonTheBear said:
Ted Cruz is currently in a twitter beef with Ron Perlman.

I like that the bulk of it is Cruz challenging Perlman, a 70 year old man, to fight someone else. And on the basis of Perlman having played a bad person on Sons of Anarchy.

How dumb is this world?
 
I'm not sure the defense of the Altanta guy is warranted, he fell asleep at the wheel while driving drunk. He would be getting arrested here in Canada no matter what Colour he was. And when he hit a Police man and took his taser and tried to use it on him I'm fairly confident his chance at getting shot would be pretty high.  He created and escalated the situation.
 
Bates said:
I'm not sure the defense of the Altanta guy is warranted, he fell asleep at the wheel while driving drunk. He would be getting arrested here in Canada no matter what Colour he was. And when he hit a Police man and took his taser and tried to use it on him I'm fairly confident his chance at getting shot would be pretty high.  He created and escalated the situation.

So arrest him for disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, and even abuse of an officer or whatever that would be called. None of those things are death sentences.
 
The standard for use of deadly force by the police should be whether or not doing so was the only possible way to prevent loss of someone else's life. I think it's pretty clear that if you're shooting someone in the back, that's no longer the case.
 
This actually pretty much perfectly encapsulates why "All Lives Matter" is complete bull#$#%. Because it's pretty obvious to anyone paying attention that police often view Black lives are more expendable than others. That's kinda what everyone is angry about.

Black criminal running away? Gotta kill him. White criminal holding weapons mere feet away from an officer? Nah let's talk this one out buddy.

And before anyone says "these are isolated incidents"... no, they aren't.
 
Remember how Dylan Roof shot up a Black church and killed 9 people and then was arrested completely unscathed, put in a bulletproof jacket, and taken to Burger King for a snack before going back to the station for processing?
 
Nik said:
The standard for use of deadly force by the police should be whether or not doing so was the only possible way to prevent loss of someone else's life. I think it's pretty clear that if you're shooting someone in the back, that's no longer the case.

Agreed. Letting a person escape should always be preferrable to deadly or sub-fatal violent force unless the person is a severe threat to loss of life.

Running towards a group of children with a fully loaded automatic weapon screaming "death to all children" warrants violent force. Stealing a taser and running away from a drunk/disorderly charge, not so much.
 
Bullfrog said:
Agreed. Letting a person escape should always be preferrable to deadly or sub-fatal violent force unless the person is a severe threat to loss of life.

Running towards a group of children with a fully loaded automatic weapon screaming "death to all children" warrants violent force. Stealing a taser and running away from a drunk/disorderly charge, not so much.

If they let him escape... they had his car, they had his ID. He would have been located and charged for his crimes fairly easily.

But even if they didn't want him to escape, was just going after him not an option? Could a trained police officer really not keep up with a drunk guy running away?
 
CarltonTheBear said:
So arrest him for disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, and even abuse of an officer or whatever that would be called. None of those things are death sentences.

Yeah. This is basically the summation of why the BLM movement exists and these protests are going on. No one is saying people shouldn't be arrested for committing crimes. It's that A) arrests, charges, etc., need to consistent based on the severity of the crime, rather than the current disproportional response that is almost always based on skin colour, and B) the cops shouldn't shoot anyone who isn't directly threatening to seriously injure or kill someone else.

None of what happened in Rayshard Brooks should have ended up with him being shot in the back and killed. He was sleeping in a parking lot. He wasn't a threat to anyone at that point. Take his info, and, if you can take him in peacefully, great. If not, track him down later. He wasn't a serious threat to anyone, he was just scared for his own life - and, unfortunately, rightfully so.
 
I'm sure this isn't going to be a surprise to most people but Donald Trump's family is a mess full of feuds and bitter recriminations. His niece has revealed herself to be the source of the information the NYT published with regards to Trump's rocky business record:

https://www.businessinsider.com/mary-trump-presidents-niece-publishing-book-tax-docs-help-nyt-2020-6?utm_source=reddit.com

It's apparently about a dispute over inheritance and then a whole thing. It's worth a read. Also, Brandon Prust is a moron:

https://twitter.com/BrandonPrust8/status/1272299764005167104
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Bates said:
I'm not sure the defense of the Altanta guy is warranted, he fell asleep at the wheel while driving drunk. He would be getting arrested here in Canada no matter what Colour he was. And when he hit a Police man and took his taser and tried to use it on him I'm fairly confident his chance at getting shot would be pretty high.  He created and escalated the situation.

So arrest him for disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, and even abuse of an officer or whatever that would be called. None of those things are death sentences.

When an Officer answered an attack with deadly force i don't see the same case as the Floyd case. You hit an Officer and then shoot a taser at him you have greatly increased the chance that you will be shot. They are not going to allow you to escape when you have shown that action. The chance you return with more firepower won't be happening. 
 
bustaheims said:
B) the cops shouldn't shoot anyone who isn't directly threatening to seriously injure or kill someone else.

And I think we need to be very specific here. Think of all the cases where the police "justified" shooting someone where they "thought" they had a gun on them or they were "scared" because someone wasn't doing as told. Neither of those are reasons to kill someone. Is it asking a lot of law enforcement to put aside their fears and be 100% sure of a weapon before firing? Yes. But we ask a lot of Doctors and Airline Pilots and Truck Drivers in terms of doing their jobs safely and responsibly.
 
Bates said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Bates said:
I'm not sure the defense of the Altanta guy is warranted, he fell asleep at the wheel while driving drunk. He would be getting arrested here in Canada no matter what Colour he was. And when he hit a Police man and took his taser and tried to use it on him I'm fairly confident his chance at getting shot would be pretty high.  He created and escalated the situation.

So arrest him for disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, and even abuse of an officer or whatever that would be called. None of those things are death sentences.

When an Officer answered an attack with deadly force i don't see the same case as the Floyd case. You hit an Officer and then shoot a taser at him you have greatly increased the chance that you will be shot. They are not going to allow you to escape when you have shown that action. The chance you return with more firepower won't be happening.

Part of the problem is the threshold for use of deadly force.  It is far too low, particularly the US.  I don't get to shoot (or throw punches back) patients who throw punches and my nurses and myself.
 

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