Highlander
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How in hells name can Trump manage to put his shoe further down his throat every day. Amazing "the end result". What freedom? Crazy guy.herman said:
Idiocracy
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Highlander
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Trying Nik, can't know everything, always been more interested in U.S history for some reason, can't explain why, perhaps founded out of war, Civil war, jazz and the rest.
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A young girl in London Ont wants them to change the name of her street. It's Plantation Street. I think that might be pushing it.
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WAYNEINIONA said:
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Highlander said:
Literally every word of this is untrue. A streaming service temporarily took one episode of the show off to edit a part of it(and not "the Hitler skit" whatever that is) but rather a part of the episode where the N word is used multiple times. The episode is back on the streaming service.
None of us can know everything. I know very little about ancient Chinese Jade sculptures. I get around this by very rarely pretending I know what I'm talking about with regards to ancient Chinese Jade sculptures.
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Bender said:
Maybe? Probably a decision for each of those communities. I don't think that when movements like this happen there needs to be some sort of incontrovertible standard or rigid consistency. If people in Toronto, or their elected officials, decide they want to change the name of a street I don't necessarily think it's then incumbent on people of another community to make the same decision. In a democracy I think to one extent or another people get to make their own choices but, by that same measure, if those people decide not to make changes different people can look at that decision and make conclusions about the people who made it.
This is why slippery slope arguments are so fallacious. As people we're perfectly capable of assessing each situation according to its own merits and coming to separate decisions as we feel they warrant. If people think Henry Dundas was enough of a jerk to warrant not naming things after him, fair enough. That doesn't then require them coming to the same conclusion about anyone else.
I guess what I'm trying to say is if the original intent was to denote where the road went regardless of name then the intent is different than a place that was actually named after Dundas. Otoh the consequentialist in me would argue, well we know where it goes, and who cares about Dundas, Ontario, we don't want anything to do with that name, well intentioned or not. And most people in Toronto know it as shorthand for where the Eaton's Centre starts and where some sketchy building are located on Bloor.Nik said:
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Bender said:
I'm not sure that is really a meaningful difference as, like you say, lots of roads aren't named for the towns they go towards. Fundamentally it's still named after the guy.
Which is why renaming things like Dundas Street aren't super high on my priority list. I think there are a lot of more pressing issues to deal with. That said, if other people want to make it an issue I think people need better counter-arguments than some sort of broad problem with "changing history" that kind of resonates strangely in a city on its second name or making slippery slope arguments. I think we can all agree that there are certain things someone could do that would make having streets or statues of them inappropriate and if people want to say that actively fighting for the cause of slavery is one of them...I find it difficult to disagree on merit.
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1271659130781130759
Here's one bad apple completely fabricating a reason to violently arrest a peaceful protester and like 7-8 apples that he spoiled going along with it.
Here's one bad apple completely fabricating a reason to violently arrest a peaceful protester and like 7-8 apples that he spoiled going along with it.
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Said it before, I gotta check out what my wife is telling me before I post, although it was true they pulled it off British TV, but have reinstated it with pre show warnings. I guess the Brits went nuts when they heard about Basil, my all time favorite looney.Nik said:
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As mentioned before it not just arbitrarily changing a street name. I was born and Toronto raised (63 now) , Dundas had no history with me, its just a name, unfortunately it turns out the name of a very bad bastard.Nik said:
My concern is in these deeply troubled Covid times when our economy is in a very bad state we consider changing street names. The costs of changing street names is enormous, especially major routes that go on and on. Every map, printed or internet, needs to be changed. Every street sign etc needs to be changed. Every letterhead on stationary, every business card, every legal document, needs to be changed.
It is an enormous cost. I think Rene Levesque Blvd.(Previous Dorchester) cost about 50 million.
If the name has to be changed, please do it after a certain amount of economic recovery.
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It's worth mentioning that in 2013 the BBC edited the episode for the exact same reason and Cleese was on baord with it. Now, for some reason, it's made him very angry:
https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/12/john-cleese-fawlty-towers-12842905/
It seems strange that anyone would be particularly upset by the one bit of language but generally be ok with a series that derived a ton of its comedy from its main character insulting and beating up his immigrant employee but it's still worth noting that "Edit a 45 year old episode of TV" wasn't anything actually demanded by anyone involved with any protest.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/12/john-cleese-fawlty-towers-12842905/
It seems strange that anyone would be particularly upset by the one bit of language but generally be ok with a series that derived a ton of its comedy from its main character insulting and beating up his immigrant employee but it's still worth noting that "Edit a 45 year old episode of TV" wasn't anything actually demanded by anyone involved with any protest.
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Highlander said:
I think that is a discussion to be had by we, the people currently living in the city of Toronto and how we want to prioritize our city's priorities.
But with that said I think that much like a lot of what's going on right now, these are long standing concerns that have come to a head. Many of the concerns about changing policing existed before these protests and they were generally ignored by a lot of people because things weren't terrible. Now things are terrible and it's "now isn't the time". At some point the bill is just due.
The entire country has been protesting for 2 weeks and cops are STILL shooting black people from behind and killing them.
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Rayshard Brooks was sleeping in his car. The cops that were called to the scene were clearly spoiling for something to do and escalated a nothing situation into 'self-defense'.CarltonTheBear said:
Also this:
https://twitter.com/JRehling/status/1271931356918853632
Malcolm Harsch, Robert Fuller's deaths were both ruled suicide, but I am finding it hard to believe a black person would have chosen this manner.
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Some people here might now be exhausted from this coverage and numb from hearing about all these things, tired of the protests every couple of years. Now imagine that it is your people being apparently (very clearly) targeted, for the duration of your whole life: what's the state of your mental health? Sleeping in the car? get shot by the cops. Sleeping at home? Get shot by the cops. Jogging for your health? Get chased down and shot. Take a call on your cellphone in your backyard? Get shot by the cops. Buying something from a convenience store? Get asphyxiated by the cops.
And these are just the examples that led to recorded death, not the ones where you were just walking down the street but happen to resemble a suspect and get excessively roughed up. Or the cops book you for the most inconsequential of misdemeanors that you know everyone else gets away with so now you have a record and can barely work enough to support your family. Or where you're playing the game you love and random b-holes from the other team and their fans rain down slurs and epithets on you.
I'm not even black and I'm nauseated with anger.