Idiocracy

[Kin]

So not, in the strictest sense, a good night for Donald Trump.

 

[herman]

Have we hit bottom yet?

 

[L K]

Have we hit bottom yet?

Where we're going, we don't need bottoms.

 

[herman]

Have we hit bottom yet?

Where we're going, we don't need bottoms.

They'd just get grabbed anyway

 

[herman]

We have hit a new bottom, of sorts!

 

[bustaheims]

We have hit a new bottom, of sorts!

I suspect there's still some descending left to go. The next debate will certainly be an interesting one. It does appear as though the GOP is reaching a tipping point they should have experienced by this time last year.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Fortunately for those of us that would have to live with a Clinton administration, you don't have that option.  I'm not a fan of Trump but he's made it possible to discuss issues that progressives have done their damndest to make off-limits.  For that alone he edges past Clinton, who has not one redeeming characteristic.

So do you remain a Trump guy?  If so, this is the article for you:

The Conservative Case Against Donald Trump

There are a lot of folks out there who, like me, don?t care one bit for Hillary Clinton ? 53 percent of you, according to the latest Real Clear Politics average. Whether you are Republicans or Bernie bros or just people who have fully functioning auditory systems, you don?t trust her, don?t think she is in touch with your concerns, and don?t really want her to be president.

I come before you today, Hillary haters, as one of your standard-bearers. I find her utterly loathsome. I literally wrote a book on her failures ? you can buy it for the low, low price of 99 cents on Amazon dot com. I started the first anti-Hillary super PAC of the presidential cycle back in 2013. My bona fides are real.

But here is the painful reality. As truly awful as Hillary Clinton is, Donald Trump is far, FAR worse. It is not even close. Trump is a clear and present danger to our republic. And no matter how deep and abiding your mistrust is of Hillary, you cannot pull the lever for Trump. Let a charter member of the vast, right-wing anti-Clinton conspiracy convince you.

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[Kin]

Fortunately for those of us that would have to live with a Clinton administration, you don't have that option.  I'm not a fan of Trump but he's made it possible to discuss issues that progressives have done their damndest to make off-limits.  For that alone he edges past Clinton, who has not one redeeming characteristic.

So do you remain a Trump guy?

He is still discussing things progressives think are off-limits.

 

[McGarnagle]

The problem I have with all the republican governors jumping off the bus at this point is that now they'll get to distance themselves, despite the ridiculousness they justified and supported for the last full year.

They should have to wear the hairshirt for the rest of their political lives.

 

[Kin]

The problem I have with all the republican governors jumping off the bus at this point is that now they'll get to distance themselves, despite the ridiculousness they justified and supported for the last full year.

They should have to wear the hairshirt for the rest of their political lives.

My hunch is they will, more or less. Anyone who ever said "I support Donald Trump" or something like it on Camera will have that played at them and have to weakly explain they rescinded that support at some point.

At which point, if their opponents are smart, they'll ask "When did you change your mind? After his attacking a gold star family? After his racist comments about Judge Curiel? After..." and so on.

I don't know what extent it'll matter but it'll get used against them.

 

[herman]

My hope is this spills over into the House and Senate votes. It doesn't quite matter what President gets voted in if these Trump enablers are still camped out on Capitol Hill.

 

[Kin]

My hope is this spills over into the House and Senate votes. It doesn't quite matter what President gets voted in if these Trump enablers are still camped out on Capitol Hill.

I get what you're saying but there's a massive world of difference between having a president whose agenda they want to obstruct and having a president who will let them do whatever they want.

 

[herman]

My hope is this spills over into the House and Senate votes. It doesn't quite matter what President gets voted in if these Trump enablers are still camped out on Capitol Hill.

I get what you're saying but there's a massive world of difference between having a president whose agenda they want to obstruct and having a president who will let them do whatever they want.

I meant beyond Hillary's upcoming term. The Republicans executed a perfect gerrymander coup that has them set for at least this decade under normal voting patterns.

 

[mr grieves]

My hope is this spills over into the House and Senate votes. It doesn't quite matter what President gets voted in if these Trump enablers are still camped out on Capitol Hill.

Agreed! The fewer Republicans for Clinton to work with -- finding "common ground" and "pragmatic solutions" to "problems" like America's meagre entitlements -- the better.

 

[Kin]

It's hard not to see the race as all but over. Over at RCP, the States where Clinton is up by at least 5% points in their averages total 260 electoral votes(which doesn't include Minnesota which would itself clinch it). PEC has her chances at 95-97%. Even Nate Silver, who's seemed weirdly conservative this time around, has her at 84% just by the polls.

 

[herman]

This isn't even really accounting for the child rape case that is about to hit the mainstream news circuit.

 

[rdowdall]

This isn't even really accounting for the child rape case that is about to hit the mainstream news circuit.

Hunh?

 

[bustaheims]

This isn't even really accounting for the child rape case that is about to hit the mainstream news circuit.

Hunh?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html

Trial set for mid-December.

 

[Kin]

This isn't even really accounting for the child rape case that is about to hit the mainstream news circuit.

That's been out there for a while at this point and has been largely ignored. Just numbers-wise, it would take a minor miracle to flip things right now.

 

[Omallley]

It's hard not to see the race as all but over. Over at RCP, the States where Clinton is up by at least 5% points in their averages total 260 electoral votes(which doesn't include Minnesota which would itself clinch it). PEC has her chances at 95-97%. Even Nate Silver, who's seemed weirdly conservative this time around, has her at 84% just by the polls.

He (and others) were burned by Trump during the primaries in the sense that they didn't give him much/any chance to win (great read on that retrospective) which could be informing some of that conservative-ness.