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Jays Roster Discussion

I like the Liriano trade, pretty solid return. Hernandez looks like a good prospect who is nearly MLB ready, look for him to get a September call-up.
Not sure if Aoki is a throw-in, salary dump move by Houston or if Jays management actually plan on keeping him around until next season. Their latest buzzword has been "controllable" players and Aoki is arbitration-eligible this fall and not an UFA until 2019. Personally, I would like to see him non-tendered and move on (He'll be 35 before next season), but not so sure that is what will happen.

Hard to predict what the future holds for the 2 prospects in the Smith trade. Could be good, could be a waste of time...can't really say at this point with lower-level prospects.

Not surprised that Estrada wasn't dealt as he had no trade value. If he can string together a few starts like he had tonight though he could be a trade target for a contender in August.
 
This probably ends Jose Bautista's tenure in Toronto.  They're not going to want to block their prospects from the MLB level.
 
sickbeast said:
This probably ends Jose Bautista's tenure in Toronto.  They're not going to want to block their prospects from the MLB level.

Bautista's struggling so badly that even Aoki in right might soon be an upgrade. I don't really see Jose returning in any capacity either.
 
At least Donaldson has started to show a bit of the old magic the last few games. He was superb yesterday.
 
sickbeast said:
Jose Bautista has been placed on revocable waivers.  Sad.  It could be the end of an era.
So I don't understand how the waiver process works in baseball. What does this mean? Is he still playing for the team?

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Bender said:
sickbeast said:
Jose Bautista has been placed on revocable waivers.  Sad.  It could be the end of an era.
So I don't understand how the waiver process works in baseball. What does this mean? Is he still playing for the team?

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It's revocable waivers, so the Jays are basically making him available for trade.  They can pull him back off waivers if they want.  But this pretty much signals that Bautista's days as a Blue Jay are over, if not now, at the end of the season.
 
Bender said:
So I don't understand how the waiver process works in baseball. What does this mean? Is he still playing for the team?

If a team wants to make a trade after the July 31st deadline then they can only trade a player after they've gone through waivers. What revocable waivers does is let a team put a player on the waiver wire to see if a team makes a claim. If a team does, than they can pull him off waivers but it means any trade won't happen.

So, yes, for now he's still with the team. If he clears waivers though he might get dealt.

I feel like this opens the window a bit to him coming back next year because if he's traded and whoever he's traded to declines his option year he may be willing to come back at a reduced cost. I don't know if the Jays would be in on that but then again I really don't know what the Jays plans are long term.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Bender said:
So I don't understand how the waiver process works in baseball. What does this mean? Is he still playing for the team?

If a team wants to make a trade after the July 31st deadline then they can only trade a player after they've gone through waivers. What revocable waivers does is let a team put a player on the waiver wire to see if a team makes a claim. If a team does, than they can pull him off waivers but it means any trade won't happen.

So, yes, for now he's still with the team. If he clears waivers though he might get dealt.

I feel like this opens the window a bit to him coming back next year because if he's traded and whoever he's traded to declines his option year he may be willing to come back at a reduced cost. I don't know if the Jays would be in on that but then again I really don't know what the Jays plans are long term.

Is it like hockey, like they can claim him for nothing in return?

I ask because why would there be a market to deal him after everyone passes on him for free?
 
Frank E said:
Nik the Trik said:
Bender said:
So I don't understand how the waiver process works in baseball. What does this mean? Is he still playing for the team?

If a team wants to make a trade after the July 31st deadline then they can only trade a player after they've gone through waivers. What revocable waivers does is let a team put a player on the waiver wire to see if a team makes a claim. If a team does, than they can pull him off waivers but it means any trade won't happen.

So, yes, for now he's still with the team. If he clears waivers though he might get dealt.

I feel like this opens the window a bit to him coming back next year because if he's traded and whoever he's traded to declines his option year he may be willing to come back at a reduced cost. I don't know if the Jays would be in on that but then again I really don't know what the Jays plans are long term.

Is it like hockey, like they can claim him for nothing in return?

I ask because why would there be a market to deal him after everyone passes on him for free?
Nobody is going to want to pay Bautista the $6 million remaining on his contract this year.  If the Jays manage to deal him they will have to eat up most of his remaining salary.  I would be shocked if someone wants Bautista for "free".  I can't see much coming back to the Jays in return.  I just hope this is a win-win scenario in the end.  Bautista deserves that much.  He has done a lot for this franchise.  I hope this waiver process was initiated with his blessing.
 
Bautista has 10 and 5 rights so can't be traded unless he agrees to be dealt. I think the most realistic situation is that he is here until the end of the season and both sides part ways in the off-season.

 
Frank E said:
Is it like hockey, like they can claim him for nothing in return?

I ask because why would there be a market to deal him after everyone passes on him for free?

It's not really like in hockey, no. In this instance, the Jays have right to pull him off waivers if they can't come to terms on a trade with the team that's awarded the claim. The other team only gets him for free if the Jays decide being rid of the contract is their primary goal - which is unlikely here, as all they need to do to be rid of the contract at the end of the season is decline their side of the mutual option.

If he ends up on waivers again this month (also very unlikely), then he'd be free to whoever claims him, but, unless a team really wants to be rid of a player, that generally doesn't happen with guys who are in the lineup every game.
 
Frank E said:
Is it like hockey, like they can claim him for nothing in return?

I ask because why would there be a market to deal him after everyone passes on him for free?

Like Busta already explained, this process is a lot different than hockey. Jays traded Jeff Kent years ago in late august to acquire David Cone who, like Bautista, was put on waivers earlier in the month. So there can still be some substantial deals made, it just depends on the calibre of player traded I guess.
 
Thanks guys...I forgot about the eating salary part of the equation.

That waivers process is quite different than hockey.
 
Frank E said:
Thanks guys...I forgot about the eating salary part of the equation.

That waivers process is quite different than hockey.

It's a weird August only thing. Otherwise, MLB doesn't really use waivers all that much during the season.
 
bustaheims said:
Frank E said:
Thanks guys...I forgot about the eating salary part of the equation.

That waivers process is quite different than hockey.

It's a weird August only thing. Otherwise, MLB doesn't really use waivers all that much during the season.

It's actually from August through to the end of the season. The difference being that players you trade for in August are post-season eligible, whereas the players you trade for in Sept/Oct aren't. Every once in a while you see a team make those later trades in an attempt to push them into the playoffs. The Jays did it years ago with Bud Black (current Rockies manager) and more recently with Darwin Barney.
 
Tulo being moved to the 60-day DL effectively ends his season.
The Jays had better hope he finds a way to stay healthy or that contract will become an even larger issue going forward.

 

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