Johnsson traded to the Devils

[herman]

The middle class is what gets shed in a cap situation. Yeah we lost the offensive player value equation of this trade, but we got cap space for TJ Brodie and the exact type of player many people wanted Dubas to spend draft picks on (big butt bangers, but with less wait time), for a 7th rounder Dubas invested enough development into to yield a 20-g NHL winger.

Kadri, Johnsson, and Kapanen needed more ice time to max out, but that?s not worth taking time away from Tavares, Matthews, Marner, and Nylander. They could not do what the Leafs hoped they could do with less. So they are pivoting to a more traditional bottom 6 arrangement.

This is part of a net gain.

 

[Kin]

The middle class is what gets shed in a cap situation. Yeah we lost the offensive player value equation of this trade, but we got cap space for TJ Brodie and the exact type of player many people wanted Dubas to spend draft picks on (big butt bangers, but with less wait time), for a 7th rounder Dubas invested enough development into to yield a 20-g NHL winger.

I don't think many people wanted Dubas to spend draft picks on small grinder types with so-so offensive potential, regardless of the size of their butts.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Why did they rush a cap dump? I felt like he might have some value with teams running out of FA options.

The flip side is that as teams commit cap space to FA's there'll be less teams willing to take on money. My hunch is that if the front office got the sense that there was serious interest in Johnsson from multiple teams, you'd have seen them hold on a while.

Absolutely Nik. They need to dump when they can. You don't want to have to find a dance partner late in the evening and end up with no partner.
Robertson makes Johnsson expendable.

 

[Kaberle15]

Love Mango time in TO. Great guy.

Cap hell casualty. Wishing him all the best.

 

[ZBBM]

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/11/andreas-johnsson-traded-to-the-new-jersey-devils-in-exchange-for-joey-anderson/

I think this analysis says it all.

 

[princedpw]

What Nik said hits it on the head, but still this has a Kadri-ish odor about it.  I think Dubas is better at signing FAs than trading people.

I was actually going to say the other way around.  I think that Dubas is pretty good at getting what he wants out of a deal.  The Kadri deal didn't work out, but he got what he wanted from it in a right shot defenceman that could move the puck, and a third line center with some versatility.  The Kapanen deal was also pretty good. 

Even in this deal, I think that Dubas maximized what he could get for the player.  However, the contracts that Dubas gives out seem to be fair deals for the players, and in a cap world that gets you in to trouble after a while.  I think that either it was a mistake to give Johnsson that contract last year, or it was a mistake to trade him for the amount that he did.

If Johnsson outperforms his deal, then he probably didn't get enough for a player that is on a cheap contract for a couple more seasons.  If Johnsson under performs, then that would mean his deal is an over payment.

The circumstances between when he was signed and now changed significantly.  Covid changed the league financial outlook and cap enormously.  The Leafs failed in the playoffs.  Johnsson was injured and his value decreased.  If Johnsson were signing now, he?d certainly be signed for less.  Still, the signing at the time seemed liked a fine one for the leafs.  And it turned out fine ? we got a prospect and didn?t have to pay to get rid of Johnsson at least, despite his down year and the changing finances of the league.

 

[azzurri63]

Who the hell is Joey Anderson?

Exactly my first thoughts. Amazing how we let potential free agents walk and trade decent forwards for nothing. Why wouldn't you try and recoup some draft picks.
Guess we knew this was coming after the horrible signings of our stars.

 

[Kin]

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/11/andreas-johnsson-traded-to-the-new-jersey-devils-in-exchange-for-joey-anderson/

I think this analysis says it all.

I don't really understand why you'd acknowledge that this was a salary dump and then be like "but in terms of player for player it's a loss for the Leafs".

Like, either evaluate a trade in the context of a capped league or don't. You're not going to win on assets if a trade is a cost cutting measure. The "win" is cap space.

 

[Bullfrog]

I'm fine with this trade. I have a lot of confidence that Mikheyev will more than replace what Johnsson could bring.

 

[ZBBM]

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/11/andreas-johnsson-traded-to-the-new-jersey-devils-in-exchange-for-joey-anderson/

I think this analysis says it all.

I don't really understand why you'd acknowledge that this was a salary dump and then be like "but in terms of player for player it's a loss for the Leafs".

Like, either evaluate a trade in the context of a capped league or don't. You're not going to win on assets if a trade is a cost cutting measure. The "win" is cap space.

He's just acknowledging the other side of the coin.

 

[Deebo]

Who the hell is Joey Anderson?

Exactly my first thoughts. Amazing how we let potential free agents walk and trade decent forwards for nothing. Why wouldn't you try and recoup some draft picks.
Guess we knew this was coming after the horrible signings of our stars.

Did you look at anything that has been written about Anderson?

 

[Kin]

He's just acknowledging the other side of the coin.

Again, I really don't think "The team didn't improve itself with this salary dump" is something that needs to be said. Evaluate the players individually, sure, but how they compare to each other is immaterial to the motivations of the trade.

 

[azzurri63]

Who the hell is Joey Anderson?

Exactly my first thoughts. Amazing how we let potential free agents walk and trade decent forwards for nothing. Why wouldn't you try and recoup some draft picks.
Guess we knew this was coming after the horrible signings of our stars.

Did you look at anything that has been written about Anderson?

Yes I did not reading anything overwhelming. I understand the situation Leafs are in and some of these guys have to go.
My point is we let a whack of free agents walk with no return and we trade decent players for in my opinion not much. Leafs knew we were going to be in this situation so why not trade some of these guys when their value might be better and recoup some picks. Players Dubas has found overseas like Mikheyev, Lehtonen, Barbanov can fill these voids but would be nice to garnish some draft choices or decent return while a players value might be higher. Should have traded AJ before he was hurt.

 

[Kin]

Should have traded AJ before he was hurt.

Yup. That's what they should have done. Immediately after his promising rookie year, the Leafs should have traded him because they knew he'd be hurt the next year and wouldn't help them in their hoped for playoff run.

Just stunning analysis.

 

[azzurri63]

Should have traded AJ before he was hurt.

Yup. That's what they should have done. Immediately after his promising rookie year, the Leafs should have traded him because they knew he'd be hurt the next year and wouldn't help them in their hoped for playoff run.

Just stunning analysis.

Nothing?s changed has it?

 

[Kin]

Nothing?s changed has it?

Hmmm, has something changed that might have put the Leafs in a bigger cap crunch then they might otherwise have been in and forced them to make cost cuttings they couldn't have foreseen...hmmm...huh...that's a tough one...gosh...let me think about that stumper for a few more minutes...huh...

In a totally unrelated gesture, let me take a big sip of water and read the newspaper for the first time since March.

 

[Deebo]

Yes I did not reading anything overwhelming.

Carlton posted this from someone who worked in the Devils front office:

https://twitter.com/racheldoerrie/status/1315073032608722944

https://twitter.com/racheldoerrie/status/1315073593148166145

Physical, wins battles, skates well, makes good decisions with the puck.

Sounds like a player that would like, considering what you post in the GDTs

Should have traded AJ before he was hurt.

When exactly would have been the right time to trade him?

As nik said, he was coming off a 20 goal rookie season, got injured February of the next season and then the pandemic hit. I don't see when they should have traded him

 

[Guilt Trip]

Anderson...Hyman 2.0? That's what I've read. He plays like Hyman. Who heard of Hyman before the Leafs got him? If, and that's a big if, the roster stays as is, Engvall or Anderson start in the minors. Both are waiver exempt.

 

[herman]

Anderson awaits a new contract. He?s a 10.2(c) RFA: basically no negotiating leverage. Leafs could tender him a 725k AAV over two years one-way and he?d jump on that. AHL avoids escrow.

 

[Frank E]

Anderson awaits a new contract. He?s a 10.2(c) RFA: basically no negotiating leverage. Leafs could tender him a 725k AAV over two years one-way and he?d jump on that. AHL avoids escrow.

Agreed.