Guilt Trip
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X2Frank E said:
Johnsson traded to the Devils
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azzurri63
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Deebo said:
Point I'm trying to make is I think they could have done better not only with AJ but also all the free agents we have let go for nothing. Yes Nik hard to trade guys when you're trying to win a cup but the Leafs the last 3 tears have not had a team to win 4 playoff rounds so I would have traded guys like JVR, Bozak etc etc to recoup some draft choices and maybe just maybe those picks may have allowed you to draft somebody that could help you today. Young player on n ELC that could fill a void. Dubas is in a bind (his own doing) and teams aren't going to pay to pickup any of our guys that may be traded. Again all boils down to the signing of the big 3 that put us in this predicament.
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Even if you thought the Leafs weren't good enough for a playoff run it still didn't make sense to trade Johnsson. It made much more sense to go into this summer with him coming off a strong season and, if necessary, trading him then. The problem was he got hurt, which nobody could have foreseen, and the cap stagnated which, again, nobody could have foreseen.
That really has nothing to do with decisions Lamoriello made about JVR or Bozak or even Dubas' decision to put the team in cap constraints via signing Tavares.
That really has nothing to do with decisions Lamoriello made about JVR or Bozak or even Dubas' decision to put the team in cap constraints via signing Tavares.
Guilt Trip
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No kidding. Dog on a bone.Joe S. said:
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Joe S. said:
We can play the game that way far further back too. It?s a tiny variation on 1967 as if Marner/Nylander/Matthews/Dubas are responsible for the cup drought.
Not trading them was a mistake. Having Horachek be an ass to Kesse for the last 20 games of the year was a mistake. Trading for a Kessel in the first place was a mistake. Drafting Tyler Biggs and Brad Ross was a mistake. Signing Jeff Finger was a mistake. Getting rid of Anton Stralman was a mistake. And on and on and on.
The value is not a great return on Johnsson but he came off one big injury and then had a second big injury. He just wasn?t going to have significant value at that point.
azzurri63 said:
But you have you haven't made that point, you just keep saying it.
When should they have made this hypothetical deal where they could have done better?
There was no reason to trade him coming off his rookie season, then he got hurt, then the pandemic caused the flat cap and faciliated the need for the trade.
No matter what Marner makes. 3.4M for AJ in this flat cap situation isn't a great use of cap dollars on this roster. Dubas got a someone that fits everything you seem to like in a player in a market where moving salary has been difficult. A player that would that would be drafted with a mid round pick that you seem to want for AJ, but already with a couple years of developent and a chance to contribute elements that this team has been lacking this up coming season.
Yes, Lou probably should have traded JVR and Bozak and not burned 2nd rounders on 4th line rentals, but that's what he did. It really isn't relevant to this trade though.
With all due respect, you don't seem interested in a discussion. You don't adress any counterpoints presented to you, and just repeat the same stuff in any reply.
Highlander
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All teams go through this, just read the Athletic article about the Blackhawks today, their fans are complaining about the very same thing, not getting picks for the departed. It happens, move on.Deebo said:
Every team in the league who paid their players fair value got screwed. Every team who didn't trade players who ended up having not great seasons got screwed. The Leafs don't operate in a vacuum. Most cap teams are dealing with some level of fallout for things that couldn't have been predicted when those deals were signed.
Also, I'm fairly certain Azzurri would be bitching about trading JVR/Bozak as they were making the playoffs if they missed or got bounced. "Missed opportunity, could've given playoff experience to the kids, wasted a year for no reason when they were on the cusp etc." Doesn't matter when everything is viewed when looking back at it rather than in the moment, the person in charge can only do wrong. Anyone who thinks they're right 100% of the time or act like they have all the answers vs. someone else without any justification is basically full of you know what.
Also, I'm fairly certain Azzurri would be bitching about trading JVR/Bozak as they were making the playoffs if they missed or got bounced. "Missed opportunity, could've given playoff experience to the kids, wasted a year for no reason when they were on the cusp etc." Doesn't matter when everything is viewed when looking back at it rather than in the moment, the person in charge can only do wrong. Anyone who thinks they're right 100% of the time or act like they have all the answers vs. someone else without any justification is basically full of you know what.
Guilt Trip
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He's an asshat. I read part of an artivle where he praised Dubas for the Bodie and Simmonds moves and then said something negative in the next line or paragraph. I stopped reading then. I can't believe how much hate there is for Dubas from Simmonds to other experts. Always critical about his vision and doesn't value grit. I'm like did this guy not build the Marlies into a winner? He knows what it takes to win. This team is now finally his. He's gotten rid of all the past mistakes and now it's all on him. I think this has probably been the hardest off season ever to add quality/change the make up of a team and yet so far, he's done a great job. There isn't a move that I don't like yet. I still think he may not be done. Lots of time before the season starts.Bill_Berg said:
azzurri63
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Joe S. said:
Definitely over it but point is if you're going to lose someone whether by free agency or trade at least get something back. I get it. Leafs are in tough with the cap so had to shuffle someone out. See what we have in the young forward if he cracks the lineup.
Guilt Trip
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I think people will be surprised with Anderson. If he can become Hyman 2.0 it'll be a steal for us.azzurri63 said: