GhostofPotvin29
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bustaheims said:
But 48 games was enough to get rid of Grabovski and a small sample was enough to put faith in Bernier? Alright then.
Kadri and Franson Contract Updates
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But 48 games was enough to get rid of Grabovski and a small sample was enough to put faith in Bernier? Alright then.
GhostofPotvin29
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Nik the Trik said:
He hasn't had a good year or two yet.
bustaheims
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Potvin29 said:
My guess is Grabovski getting bought out was less about his season and more about his place on the roster versus his cap hit. With Bolland being brought in to centre the 3rd line and Kadri being penciled in on the 2nd, there wasn't a spot for Grabovski with the way Carlyle seemed intent on using him. All in all, while it was a stupid move, I can at least see the logic the front office went with there, as flawed as I think it is. As for Bernier . . . things are different with goalies, but, yeah, his contract is excessive for what he's accomplished.
bustaheims
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Nik the Trik said:
He actually played 82, if you include the playoffs, but, really, how much weight do you think the 27 games he played for the Marlies really have?
Kin
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bustaheims said:
Those seven games were in the post-season so I think I'm on decent ground there.
Anyways, the number of games in the season is not something that Kadri has control over and, really, the number of games in the season is something the owners decided. I appreciate that the response on the Leafs part may be that without seeing Kadri play 70+ games in a NHL season they'll have doubts about how he'll hold up to that grind(although I don't put too much stock in his slowdown near the end being an indication either way) but I think if I'm Kadri I think that what determines my value as a hockey player is my ability which is a constant regardless of what league I'm in.
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Nik the Trik said:
So guys are getting big contracts on the basis of good half-AHL and half-NHL seasons? I'm guessing anyone who got a big contract has had at least a full regular NHL season.
bustaheims
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Potvin29 said:
Also, the trend of giving out big contracts to guys off of their ELCs seems to be dying out. The "bridge" contract is starting to become the standard 2nd contract.
mr grieves
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Potvin29 said:
And 100 or so enough to determine Clarkson's worth putting on the top-6 for the next several years... Still, it is nice that they've finally come to understand that 48 games isn't much of a sample. If you're an RFA, anyway.
Franson on a one year deal is interesting. But the list of expiring contracts next season would be getting pretty crazy: Kessel, Phaneuf, Reimer, Gardiner, Franson, Bolland, Kulemin, Colborne... And how much more cap space than this season?
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Nik the Trik said:
Perhaps because he hasn't been good for a year or two. He's been good for just over 30 games...oh and then disappeared.
Kin
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Potvin29 said:
Well, I mean, you can call it a half-season if you want but it wasn't. They didn't award half a Stanley cup, the Blackhawks won't skimp on the cup rings because they counted less in some way, nobody's going to refer to Alex Ovechkin having two and a half MVP's...it was a full season and all you can ultimately ask of players is that they play well in the games you schedule. I appreciate that there is less predictive value in 48 games than 82 and that fits into the conversation of how much comfort the Leafs are going to have in investing in Kadri but I'm not saying the opposite. I'm saying that Kadri isn't going to buy the concept that because he had the misfortune of having his big breakout year in a year where the owners locked out their players he's not as good as he was last year or that his season had less value.
I mean, if you lock your employees out for half the year you're not going to get breaks on their salaries because they only showed up 50% of the time.
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OldTimeHockey said:
EVen if you buy that, and I don't, why would that convince Kadri that he has to be good for a couple more years before he can negotiate a big extension? If guys are getting big extensions after one good season isn't that the only benchmark to clear before he feels he can negotiate his own?
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Nik the Trik said:
Nice articulation of each side's perspective. Everything not in bold is likely what Kadri's agent should be saying. Everything in bold in what management is probably saying in reply. But I wonder: which of these views would you rather win the day so that the Leafs could ice the most competitive team possible for the next couple of years?
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Am I the only one who sees that Fanson wants 4 years at $4m and I'm like, "Sign me up!"
bustaheims
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dappleganger said:
Yes. It's way too much money and term to give a guy who had a good 48 season that sticks out like a sore thumb in comparison to the rest of his career.
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