Kadri and Franson Contract Updates

[dappleganger]

I guess I'm just a better talent evaluator than bustaheims and caveman. 

 

[Champ Kind]

So guys are getting big contracts on the basis of good half-AHL and half-NHL seasons? I'm guessing anyone who got a big contract has had at least a full regular NHL season.

Also, the trend of giving out big contracts to guys off of their ELCs seems to be dying out. The "bridge" contract is starting to become the standard 2nd contract.

While I think there's merit to what you're saying here, Busta, isn't it premature?  I mean, this is being based on what, three or four contracts (Duschene, Couture, Subban, anyone else?).  The Duschene and Couture contracts occured a few years ago (2011), roughly around or before the same time as the Eberle, Hall, Seguin, Skinner, Turris, Doughty, and Myers contracts were signed.

I'm in agreement with Nik here where I believe he's saying that the negativity and hand wringing over how unreasonable Kadri's demands are really out of touch with reality.  To me, Kadri is simply trying to get the most favourable deal he can within the paraters and precedents already set.  By saying that last year wasn't a "year" or that the "standard" second contract is 2-years is, at best, a stretch.

 

[Kin]

While I think there's merit to what you're saying here, Busta, isn't it premature?  I mean, this is being based on what, three or four contracts (Duschene, Couture, Subban, anyone else?).  The Duschene and Couture contracts occured a few years ago (2011), roughly around or before the same time as the Eberle, Hall, Seguin, Skinner, Turris, Doughty, and Myers contracts were signed.

Yeah, especially considering what we just saw with Landeskog where not only did he get 7 years at a very healthy salary but he got it after a year that was seen as disappointing by a lot of people.

I think both contracts are going to exist, the thing that's going to separate who gets which is whether they're seen as future all-stars/building blocks or if they're seen as a notch below that. Landeskog got his deal with 69 points in 118 games. Kadri is at 63 points in 99 games. To suggest that Kadri, looking at the Landeskog deal, is being ridiculous to me says less about Kadri's contract demands and more about how much faith people really have in Kadri as a player.

 

[bustaheims]

While I think there's merit to what you're saying here, Busta, isn't it premature?  I mean, this is being based on what, three or four contracts (Duschene, Couture, Subban, anyone else?).  The Duschene and Couture contracts occured a few years ago (2011), roughly around or before the same time as the Eberle, Hall, Seguin, Skinner, Turris, Doughty, and Myers contracts were signed.

So far, only two players coming off their ELC signed a big money, big term deal this summer - Landeskog and McDonaugh (and, technically, Landeskog isn't coming off of his yet - he still has a season left on it). A few others signed coming off "bridge" deals - Bogosian, Wheeler, Rask, Little, Bailey, Alzner - and a few others signed "bridge" type deals - Paajarvi, Clifford, Brodie, Backlund, Hagelin, etc. Of the RFAs still out there, the Blues are pushing for a bridge type deal with Pieterangelo, the Sens with Cowen, the Rags with Stepan, and so on. I'd say it's pretty clear what the trend has become.

 

[Kin]

So far, only two players coming off their ELC signed a big money, big term deal this summer - Landeskog and McDonaugh (and, technically, Landeskog isn't coming off of his yet - he still has a season left on it). A few others signed coming off "bridge" deals - Bogosian, Wheeler, Rask, Little, Bailey, Alzner - and a few others signed "bridge" type deals - Paajarvi, Clifford, Brodie, Backlund, Hagelin, etc. Of the RFAs still out there, the Blues are pushing for a bridge type deal with Pieterangelo, the Sens with Cowen, the Rags with Stepan, and so on. I'd say it's pretty clear what the trend has become.

That seems more like an indication that bridge contracts are popular with young players who haven't had big seasons yet. Hagelin was the leading scorer among the guys you name and he had 24 points.

 

[Champ Kind]

While I think there's merit to what you're saying here, Busta, isn't it premature?  I mean, this is being based on what, three or four contracts (Duschene, Couture, Subban, anyone else?).  The Duschene and Couture contracts occured a few years ago (2011), roughly around or before the same time as the Eberle, Hall, Seguin, Skinner, Turris, Doughty, and Myers contracts were signed.

So far, only two players coming off their ELC signed a big money, big term deal this summer - Landeskog and McDonaugh (and, technically, Landeskog isn't coming off of his yet - he still has a season left on it). A few others signed coming off "bridge" deals - Bogosian, Wheeler, Rask, Little, Bailey, Alzner - and a few others signed "bridge" type deals - Paajarvi, Clifford, Brodie, Backlund, Hagelin, etc. Of the RFAs still out there, the Blues are pushing for a bridge type deal with Pieterangelo, the Sens with Cowen, the Rags with Stepan, and so on. I'd say it's pretty clear what the trend has become.

Well, sure.  If I'm an onwer, or manager, I would push for the 'bridge' deal, too.  Those big post ELC deals never made good sense, at least to me.  It takes two to dance, however, and there's insufficient support to say it's a trend.

 

[ZBBM]

So now Kadri's telling tsn he'll sit out if he has to....

Keep 'er goin' there Naz.

 

[hockeyfan1]

From Luke Fox Sportsnet 25 minutes ago:

"I just want something that?s fair,? Nazem Kadri said of his contract negotiations with the Leafs. "I don?t want everyone to think I?m unfair while really I?m not being selfish at all."

 

[Tigger]

So now Kadri's telling tsn he'll sit out if he has to....

Keep 'er goin' there Naz.

I wonder if he'll stop talking again? Either way, good luck with that pov Naz, see if PK can hook you up with some time killers while you're 'away'.

 

[Redleaf]

From Luke Fox Sportsnet 25 minutes ago:

"I just want something that?s fair,? Nazem Kadri said of his contract negotiations with the Leafs. "I don?t want everyone to think I?m unfair while really I?m not being selfish at all."

If he's so concerned about what everybody thinks about him, he needs to refrain from stuff like the 'Bobo' remarks. I would hope his agent is telling him to just clam up already until a deal is reached.

 

[caver]

He is young and showing immaturity. Hopefully his agent will advise him to shut up again.

 

[moon111]

It was a short season.  We haven't seen what happens when teams focus on Kadri.  To say Kadri is proven would be the same as saying Kaberle and McCabe are the best defensive duo of all-time.

 

[13th fan]

If he was with the Bruins ,Peter Chiarelli would've solved this issue 

 

[KadriFan]

From Luke Fox Sportsnet 25 minutes ago:

"I just want something that?s fair,? Nazem Kadri said of his contract negotiations with the Leafs. "I don?t want everyone to think I?m unfair while really I?m not being selfish at all."

If he's so concerned about what everybody thinks about him, he needs to refrain from stuff like the 'Bobo' remarks. I would hope his agent is telling him to just clam up already until a deal is reached.

Why?  if I was Kadri, I would have said far worse. 

 

[KadriFan]

I think he is probably asking for Bozak type cash and can't say I blame him.  They should just dump the most overrated, over paid captain in leaf history and keep these young guys happy.  Most teams would....

 

[caver]

 

[93forever]

Kadri hasn't proven anything in the NHL yet.  He needs to zip his mouth, be grateful he is in the NHL, take a short term contract from the Leafs, play his heart out showing what he can do on the ice then ask for the big dollars once his contract has expired.

 

[bustaheims]

markhmasters: Nonis asked if anything new on Kadri, Franson: 'Not at this point'

 

[Champ Kind]

Kadri hasn't proven anything in the NHL yet.  He needs to zip his mouth, be grateful he is in the NHL, take a short term contract from the Leafs, play his heart out showing what he can do on the ice then ask for the big dollars once his contract has expired.

You're entitled to your opinion and, in fact, I probably agree with you to a certain extent.  But your first sentence is flat out wrong.  He was 21'st in league scoring which, if nothing else, proves he has a knack for scoring.  I don't think his production happened by accident.

 

[Zee]

Kadri hasn't proven anything in the NHL yet.  He needs to zip his mouth, be grateful he is in the NHL, take a short term contract from the Leafs, play his heart out showing what he can do on the ice then ask for the big dollars once his contract has expired.

You're entitled to your opinion and, in fact, I probably agree with you to a certain extent.  But your first sentence is flat out wrong.  He was 21'st in league scoring which, if nothing else, proves he has a knack for scoring.  I don't think his production happened by accident.

Very small sample size though.