Komarov in deep do-do with the law in Finland

[moon111]

He's facing charges where a person gives authorities false information about their income and their wealth to avoid heavy fines.  A speeding ticket in Finland is based on how much you made.  A millionaire was fined $57,000 fine for going 15 mph over.


http://thefourthperiod.com/news/tor150702.html

 

[Highlander]

why should a speeding ticket be based upon your net income? That would go over like a lead balloon here or a revolution in the U.S.
Its their system that should go to jail, not our Komrade K.

 

[Kin]

why should a speeding ticket be based upon your net income?

If I'm making 800 a week a 100 dollar speeding ticket is a big hit to take. If I'm making, say, 56,000 dollars a week like Komarov then 100 bucks doesn't mean much and is not much of a deterrent. Given that it's wealthier people who are more likely to be driving the cars that can exceed the speed limit by a great deal it makes a ton of sense to scale the tickets accordingly.

 

[Boston Leaf]

If it's a known law you must abide by it..

 

[Highlander]

He may have been going faster than 15K, so he may have had to pay a lot more than 57,000.

 

[Highlander]

These are Euro fines, a double ouch!!


http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/03/finland-home-of-the-103000-speeding-ticket/387484/

 

[L K]

Yeah I'm a fan of fines proportional to your income.  They are supposed to be part of the deterrent.  When it amounts to pocket change it isn't really much of one.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

These are Euro fines, a double ouch!!

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/03/finland-home-of-the-103000-speeding-ticket/387484/

Man I feel so bad for that guy*.

*- that guy makes ?6.5 million per year.

 

[Frank E]

Given that it's wealthier people who are more likely to be driving the cars that can exceed the speed limit by a great deal it makes a ton of sense to scale the tickets accordingly.

Yeah, that's pretty false.

Pretty much everything bought today does over 100mph, comfortably.

There isn't anything further unsafe about a wealthy guy driving a car at 100mph vs. a less fortunate person doing the same.  It's just a tax revenue stream that preys on the wealthy, full-stop.  It has nothing to do with the cars they drive.

I'm OK with it.

 

[Kin]

Pretty much everything bought today does over 100mph, comfortably.

I said "great amount". Speed limits in Europe can get up to 75 and 80 mph. So I'm not talking about cars that can, in a straight line on an empty track, get up to 120. I'm talking about cars that can easily and comfortably double the limit.

And, again, it's about the concept of a deterrent. Not that it's less safe in fancier cars.

 

[moon111]

Personally I hate speeding tickets and see them more as a way of generating revenue then having any real safety purpose.  I also find if I stay at the speed limit, my attention to the road drops off and  at times have started nodding off.  Time of day, weather conditions, and location make all the difference in my mine.

-I've been trapped at 5:30 in the morning on a local country road.  I really hate all black cop cars. 
-Heading down a straight stretch in the middle of the summer, up north on the Trans Canada, nailed by a cop hiding behind an on-coming transport.  The bush was cleared back quite far, so I had no deer or moose worries at all.  Limit is 90kms/hr.
-Driving with traffic in Markham, the police pulled the entire street over.
-Driving between Larder Lake and Kirkland Lake at 5:30am, cop hiding behind on-coming traffic.

Not once did I feel, dang, I shouldn't have been doing that.  All it's made me think is that I've had more stolen from me by cops then thieves. 

 

[Kin]

Not once did I feel, dang, I shouldn't have been doing that.

That might be a you problem then.

 

[Bates]

If speed limits were truly about safety cars and drivers would have different speed limits.  How does it make sense that new Porsche has the same limit as a 1984 Aries K car?

 

[Frank E]

Pretty much everything bought today does over 100mph, comfortably.

I said "great amount". Speed limits in Europe can get up to 75 and 80 mph. So I'm not talking about cars that can, in a straight line on an empty track, get up to 120. I'm talking about cars that can easily and comfortably double the limit.

And, again, it's about the concept of a deterrent. Not that it's less safe in fancier cars.

It's not about doing 120mph, it's about 'x' amount over the limit. 

Tuesday, the BBC reported Kuisla was driving 64mph (103kph) in a 50mph (80kph) zone. A police officer stopped him.

After authorities reportedly checked his 2013 tax returns, they issued him a nearly $60,000 speeding ticket.

His earnings on those tax returns allegedly indicated Kuisla made about $7.2 million (?6.5m) in 2013.


http://www.businessinsider.com/a-millionaire-in-finland-got-a-60000-speeding-ticket-2015-3

There is no just reason to fine somebody astronomically more than someone else for the same offense.  It's a tax on the rich disguised as a deterrent.

 

[Kin]

It's not about doing 120mph, it's about 'x' amount over the limit. 

I don't think it's at all unrealistic to suggest that the people most likely to drive their cars fast are the people who spend tons of money to buy fast cars.

There is no just reason to fine somebody astronomically more than someone else for the same offense.  It's a tax on the rich disguised as a deterrent.

Yeah, you're right. A 100 dollar fine would have really made that guy think about what he'd done.

 

[TML fan]

If speed limits were truly about safety cars and drivers would have different speed limits.  How does it make sense that new Porsche has the same limit as a 1984 Aries K car?

Speed limits are about giving you the best reaction time possible while still keeping traffic moving at a good pace.

Whether you're in a Porsche or a K car, your reaction time at 100kmh is going to be better than at 140kmh

 

[Bill_Berg]

If speed limits were truly about safety cars and drivers would have different speed limits.  How does it make sense that new Porsche has the same limit as a 1984 Aries K car?

I have the equivalent of the K car, but my driving skills are so top notch that I shouldn't have any limits imposed on me. My brother-in-law, who drives a Porsche coincidentally, is a terrible driver. I wouldn't get into any car with him.

 

[Bates]

So a car that can turn better and stop in half the distance of another should therefore be able to safely drive faster than the other car???

If speed limits were truly about safety cars and drivers would have different speed limits.  How does it make sense that new Porsche has the same limit as a 1984 Aries K car?

Speed limits are about giving you the best reaction time possible while still keeping traffic moving at a good pace,

 

[Bates]

That's why I included car and driver in my post.  Police these days do almost nothing to people with poor driving habits and pick the low hanging fruit(speeding) for revenue. 

If speed limits were truly about safety cars and drivers would have different speed limits.  How does it make sense that new Porsche has the same limit as a 1984 Aries K car?

I have the equivalent of the K car, but my driving skills are so top notch that I shouldn't have any limits imposed on me. My brother-in-law, who drives a Porsche coincidentally, is a terrible driver. I wouldn't get into any car with him.

 

[Bill_Berg]

That's why I included car and driver in my post.  Police these days do almost nothing to people with poor driving habits and pick the low hanging fruit(speeding) for revenue. 

If speed limits were truly about safety cars and drivers would have different speed limits.  How does it make sense that new Porsche has the same limit as a 1984 Aries K car?

I have the equivalent of the K car, but my driving skills are so top notch that I shouldn't have any limits imposed on me. My brother-in-law, who drives a Porsche coincidentally, is a terrible driver. I wouldn't get into any car with him.

I wouldn't trust their ability to measure a driver's skill and then apply different rules to that driver as opposed to another driver. Then again I would, as long as I can slip him a twenty to ensure I get to speed!