Komarov in deep do-do with the law in Finland

[Highlander]

Yes the best section!

 

[Kin]

Yes but it is all perspective, around Collingwood you never drive over 80 K, most roads are 60K so its like driving in Snailville.  In Arizona and many of the southern states the speed limits on highways are anywhere from 75MPH or 80MHP equivalent of 120 to almost 130K whilst we have 100K.
On the many main roads of Scottsdale or Phoenix you can safely drive 50-60MPH right in the city, not 30MPH.

Hmmm. It's almost like there are weather conditions in Canada that make high speed driving more dangerous than in the southern United States. But what sort of weather could that be....Wind? No. Locusts? No, that's a biblical plague.

This is a tough one.

 

[Highlander]

Anyone knows if you are driving at 120K to 130K on a 400 HWY is almost acceptable except if a cop needs to fill his ledger sheet.  And then you can get done for 16K over.  So why do we play these games?
My problem on the 400 systems are not the speeders but the reckless lane changers, cutting over 3 of 4 lanes at a time, cutting people off etc. Speed all you want but don't come close to hitting my car with reckless lane changes.

We could have seasonal signs as well for as Nik mentions we do have a winter to think about.

 

[Stickytape]

The lesson here is that if you're ever in Finland and you need to get someplace in a serious hurry, pay a poor friend to drive you.

 

[Bill_Berg]

This all makes perfect sense from a safety perspective right??

Yes because, again, the purpose is for these fines to act as a deterrent. How would Komorov react to a 50 dollar fine? What impact would it have on him? A 50 dollar fine would probably severely cut into a minimum wage worker's grocery budget for that week.

It's about revenue generation Nik, not deterrents.

If it were about deterrents, they'd do what they do elsewhere:  you lose your license if you get a few tickets.

The fines are about revenue, and they're trotted out as deterrents because they can't say it's all about revenue.

Don't you lose your license here after a few tickets? If they're all within a year or two or something?

 

[Frank E]

This all makes perfect sense from a safety perspective right??

Yes because, again, the purpose is for these fines to act as a deterrent. How would Komorov react to a 50 dollar fine? What impact would it have on him? A 50 dollar fine would probably severely cut into a minimum wage worker's grocery budget for that week.

It's about revenue generation Nik, not deterrents.

If it were about deterrents, they'd do what they do elsewhere:  you lose your license if you get a few tickets.

The fines are about revenue, and they're trotted out as deterrents because they can't say it's all about revenue.

Don't you lose your license here after a few tickets? If they're all within a year or two or something?

Yep, it's a points thing...you lose your points, you're out.

 

[Coco-puffs]

This all makes perfect sense from a safety perspective right??

Yes because, again, the purpose is for these fines to act as a deterrent. How would Komorov react to a 50 dollar fine? What impact would it have on him? A 50 dollar fine would probably severely cut into a minimum wage worker's grocery budget for that week.

It's about revenue generation Nik, not deterrents.

If it were about deterrents, they'd do what they do elsewhere:  you lose your license if you get a few tickets.

The fines are about revenue, and they're trotted out as deterrents because they can't say it's all about revenue.

Don't you lose your license here after a few tickets? If they're all within a year or two or something?

Yep, it's a points thing...you lose your points, you're out.

BTW, you get no points if you get a ticket for doing 1-15 km/h over.  So, you won't lose your license if you get a dozen of them- but good luck with your insurance company.

 

[Highlander]

Stickytape that was funny! 8)

 

[moon111]

My brother-in-law never gets speeding tickets because he stays at home playing video games and collecting welfare.

 

[Bullfrog]

My brother-in-law never gets speeding tickets because he stays at home playing video games and collecting welfare.

This is perhaps the most random thing I've heard.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

The lesson here is that if you're ever in Finland and you need to get someplace in a serious hurry, pay a poor friend to drive you.

BINGO!

 

[Highlander]

I think it is one of the most Commie laws I have ever heard. I thought all men were created equal.  I guess some are more equal than others and must pay the price. What hogwash.

 

[Bullfrog]

I think it is one of the most Commie laws I have ever heard. I thought all men were created equal.  I guess some are more equal than others and must pay the price. What hogwash.

Even if that's true, what does that have to do with a proportional fine? If I make $25k/year and you make $1M/year, we're no longer financially equal, are we?

Now, before you talk about punishing the successful, let's revisit the very easy-to-understand concept of a fine being a deterrent to dangerous driving. A set fine -- say $500 -- means drastically different things to you and me. For me, it would be a full week's worth of wages. For you, it's a drop in the bucket. Who's going to be more deterred from speeding? You're not going to care, for me it's disasterous.

How is that equal?

 

[Highlander]

I do see where you are coming from.  However if I am more financially successful than you, doesnt mean I should be punished more than you on some sort of commie sliding scale. If I am more successful than you means I either worked harder, worked smarter, worked longer, got better education and perhaps was much luckier than you. Does that mean I should be punished more? 
This is the basis of all socialist thinking and at the root of why Greece is now collapsing.  Socialist thinking has driven every rich French person out of France and why France will collapse eventually.  And probably why Komorav will never drive in Finland again.
Bring that sort of legislation to Canada and I will be the first one over the border.
Everyone including you and myself are entitled to their own wrong opinion.

 

[Kin]

This is the basis of all socialist thinking and at the root of why Greece is now collapsing.  Socialist thinking has driven every rich French person out of France and why France will collapse eventually.  And probably why Komorav will never drive in Finland again. 

Actually the "root" of why Greece collapsed was because idiot bankers the world over looked at the global economy like a game of craps. Bankers who, by and large, got bailed out by governments(of course, that wasn't socialism) who then took the brunt of the hit rather than let the actual effect of unfettered, free market capitalism hit their national economies. Socialist and Communist countries like Australia, China and Germany did much better through the crisis than ones with less restriction on banking like the United States and Russia. 

Bring that sort of legislation to Canada and I will be the first one over the border.

And just like that we know how Justin Trudeau can win my vote.

 

[Bullfrog]

I do see where you are coming from.  However if I am more financially successful than you, doesnt mean I should be punished more than you on some sort of commie sliding scale. If I am more successful than you means I either worked harder, worked smarter, worked longer, got better education and perhaps was much luckier than you. Does that mean I should be punished more? 
This is the basis of all socialist thinking and at the root of why Greece is now collapsing.  Socialist thinking has driven every rich French person out of France and why France will collapse eventually.  And probably why Komorav will never drive in Finland again.
Bring that sort of legislation to Canada and I will be the first one over the border.
Everyone including you and myself are entitled to their own wrong opinion.

It's not about punishing you because you're successful. It's about ensuring there's a sufficient deterrent to prevent you from breaking the law. To provide an equal deterrent, the value is changed.

 

[Highlander]

Nik, I have been to Greece many time, I love the country. But the roots of the current collapse go far back. Many of the civil servents in Greece could retire at 50 with full pensions. You tell me a system that can provide full income, benefits etc will not fall apart at some time. Retirement at 50?  This is when most of us start to make serious money. Success is not found overnight and the majority of wealth created is after 40 years of age.
The socialists bought these votes and mortaged their futures.
This is why in all Western countries the retirement age continues and will continue to be pushed back.
Further when Holland became PM of France he righteously pronounced that all people earning over a million a year would be taxed 75% of their income.  I have lived in France and they have so many social programs it makes Canada look like Alaska. This is why more wealthy french are now living outside of France, most in the West  part of London.

 

[Kin]

Further when Holland became PM of France he righteously pronounced that all people earning over a million a year would be taxed 75% of their income.  I have lived in France and they have so many social programs it makes Canada look like Alaska. This is why more wealthy french are now living outside of France, most in the West  part of London.

French Economy exceeds expected growth, outpacing US and UK

And Hollande has never been Prime Minister of France. He's their President.

 

[Highlander]

Thanks Nik, Presidente even better than PM.

Man Estonia and Lithaunia are in the toilet as well.
Part of the French good news is that the Euro has fallen dramatically against the Greenback, this means dramatically more exports and of course an increase of tourism by US visitors who had stayed at home for the last while.

 

[Frank E]

Actually the "root" of why Greece collapsed was because idiot bankers the world over looked at the global economy like a game of craps. Bankers who, by and large, got bailed out by governments(of course, that wasn't socialism) who then took the brunt of the hit rather than let the actual effect of unfettered, free market capitalism hit their national economies. Socialist and Communist countries like Australia, China and Germany did much better through the crisis than ones with less restriction on banking like the United States and Russia. 

Greece was in bad shape far before 2008....the events of 2008 just exacerbated things.  I've never heard more about issues with austerity measures in my life.