Komisarek

[proteus2000]

I know it has been 3 games but Komisarek's play seems to improve. Let's hope his play improves enough so we can deal him.

Lol, true... his cap hit will remain at $4.5 mil but he actually will only cost $3.5 mil in the next 2 yrs instead of the $5.5 mil he cost this yr/$6 mil last yr.

He still has a NMC but maybe he will be affordable enough for the Isles to bring him back home and get above the cap floor.

 

[moon111]

Forgot passing, the man can't competently clear the puck out of his own zone. Watch his hilarious attempts at clearing using his backhand.

This is probably one of the worst parts of his game, which is just unacceptable for a defensive defenseman.  He can't make good outlet passes AND he's not good at clearing the zone.

Yeah, when I think of good defensive defencemen this team used to have I think of Robert Svehla or hell, even Glenn Wessley. With those guys, every time they touched the puck in the defensive end it was out of our zone. Every time this guy gets the puck he throws a grenade at his defensive partner or passes right to the opposition. Just get it off the glass and out.

Svehla or Wesley?  There are currently 1993 defensemen listed on nhl.com's career leaders.  Komisarek isn't as good as the 47th and 125th highest scoring defensemen ever?  I'll agree that Svehla and Wesley were good defensively, but they were also in the top 10% offensively.  Komisarek was never sold as a two-way defenseman and I think it's unrealistic to expect his offensive skills to be as high as Svehla or Wesley.  That being said, I never thought it was easy for guys like him, Schenn, Aki Berg, etc. to play the puck when the forwards are already running and gunning.  With a more defensive system, they should have shorter, simpler puck-moving choices.

 

[pnjunction]

That being said, I never thought it was easy for guys like him, Schenn, Aki Berg, etc. to play the puck when the forwards are already running and gunning.  With a more defensive system, they should have shorter, simpler puck-moving choices.

I was noticing near the end of Wilson's tenure that some of the problems may have been caused by just how far the forwards are away when the D are trying to unload the puck.  When they have the puck and look up from the circle in the d-zone and the forwards are already streaking over the red line, they hesitate and then potentially do something stupid.  I haven't been paying close enough attention to see if this has changed much under Carlyle, but I will watch for it tomorrow.

 

[showmethemoneyman]

Forgot passing, the man can't competently clear the puck out of his own zone. Watch his hilarious attempts at clearing using his backhand.

This is probably one of the worst parts of his game, which is just unacceptable for a defensive defenseman.  He can't make good outlet passes AND he's not good at clearing the zone.

Yeah, when I think of good defensive defencemen this team used to have I think of Robert Svehla or hell, even Glenn Wessley. With those guys, every time they touched the puck in the defensive end it was out of our zone. Every time this guy gets the puck he throws a grenade at his defensive partner or passes right to the opposition. Just get it off the glass and out.

Svehla or Wesley?  There are currently 1993 defensemen listed on nhl.com's career leaders.  Komisarek isn't as good as the 47th and 125th highest scoring defensemen ever?  I'll agree that Svehla and Wesley were good defensively, but they were also in the top 10% offensively.  Komisarek was never sold as a two-way defenseman and I think it's unrealistic to expect his offensive skills to be as high as Svehla or Wesley.  That being said, I never thought it was easy for guys like him, Schenn, Aki Berg, etc. to play the puck when the forwards are already running and gunning.  With a more defensive system, they should have shorter, simpler puck-moving choices.

Agreed , and the extra second they have to analyze will have a huge effect.  Schenn and Komi have been and can again be , very effective physical defencemen. But they are suited to a defensive system not a run and gun system.

 

[Bender]

Forgot passing, the man can't competently clear the puck out of his own zone. Watch his hilarious attempts at clearing using his backhand.

This is probably one of the worst parts of his game, which is just unacceptable for a defensive defenseman.  He can't make good outlet passes AND he's not good at clearing the zone.

Yeah, when I think of good defensive defencemen this team used to have I think of Robert Svehla or hell, even Glenn Wessley. With those guys, every time they touched the puck in the defensive end it was out of our zone. Every time this guy gets the puck he throws a grenade at his defensive partner or passes right to the opposition. Just get it off the glass and out.

Svehla or Wesley?  There are currently 1993 defensemen listed on nhl.com's career leaders.  Komisarek isn't as good as the 47th and 125th highest scoring defensemen ever?  I'll agree that Svehla and Wesley were good defensively, but they were also in the top 10% offensively.  Komisarek was never sold as a two-way defenseman and I think it's unrealistic to expect his offensive skills to be as high as Svehla or Wesley.  That being said, I never thought it was easy for guys like him, Schenn, Aki Berg, etc. to play the puck when the forwards are already running and gunning.  With a more defensive system, they should have shorter, simpler puck-moving choices.

I loved Svehla. He was a prototypical D-man. Total ironman, laid people out, very good defensively. I can't believe he only played 8 season in the NHL and only one for the Leafs.

 

[Kessel_81]

tought tilt last night for Komi... oh well, get him next time

 

[Tigger]

So is Komisarek officially 'Wade Belak' bad now? I remember cw noting the effect was akin to giving the opposition a gimme whenever he played defense but not when he was in a 4th line role...

...any guesses as to where I'm going with this?

 

[Zee]

So is Komisarek officially 'Wade Belak' bad now? I remember cw noting the effect was akin to giving the opposition a gimme whenever he played defense but not when he was in a 4th line role...

...any guesses as to where I'm going with this?

Well he has a no-movement clause and a modified no-trade clause so he has to submit a list of teams each June that he'll accept a trade to.  Can we dump him to one of the teams on his list given that we can't move him to the minors?  I have no idea how buyouts work but do we want a portion of his salary on the cap if we can buy him out?

 

[the dingo ate my baby]

So is Komisarek officially 'Wade Belak' bad now? I remember cw noting the effect was akin to giving the opposition a gimme whenever he played defense but not when he was in a 4th line role...

...any guesses as to where I'm going with this?

Well he has a no-movement clause and a modified no-trade clause so he has to submit a list of teams each June that he'll accept a trade to.  Can we dump him to one of the teams on his list given that we can't move him to the minors?  I have no idea how buyouts work but do we want a portion of his salary on the cap if we can buy him out?

I wouldn't buy him out. 

He can be traded to a team on his list (provided they want him).  Since he can't be sent down, the other option is to sit him in the press box.  If he wants to play he'll have to accept a trade.  I feel like that's probably how it will go down, but not in a threatening way.  I think Komi's cool enough to lift his NTC if the destination is at least reasonable and he has a shot at proving he's worth another NHL contract by getting some ice time.

 

[Zee]

So is Komisarek officially 'Wade Belak' bad now? I remember cw noting the effect was akin to giving the opposition a gimme whenever he played defense but not when he was in a 4th line role...

...any guesses as to where I'm going with this?

Well he has a no-movement clause and a modified no-trade clause so he has to submit a list of teams each June that he'll accept a trade to.  Can we dump him to one of the teams on his list given that we can't move him to the minors?  I have no idea how buyouts work but do we want a portion of his salary on the cap if we can buy him out?

I wouldn't buy him out. 

He can be traded to a team on his list (provided they want him).  Since he can't be sent down, the other option is to sit him in the press box.  If he wants to play he'll have to accept a trade.  I feel like that's probably how it will go down, but not in a threatening way.  I think Komi's cool enough to lift his NTC if the destination is at least reasonable and he has a shot at proving he's worth another NHL contract by getting some ice time.

He actually has 2 bloody years left at $4.5M.  I don't know what GM in his right mind would take him, other than if they have to reach the cap-floor and want that salary on the books to get the "veteran leaderhship" that he provides.  ???

 

[proteus2000]

So is Komisarek officially 'Wade Belak' bad now? I remember cw noting the effect was akin to giving the opposition a gimme whenever he played defense but not when he was in a 4th line role...

...any guesses as to where I'm going with this?

Well he has a no-movement clause and a modified no-trade clause so he has to submit a list of teams each June that he'll accept a trade to.  Can we dump him to one of the teams on his list given that we can't move him to the minors?  I have no idea how buyouts work but do we want a portion of his salary on the cap if we can buy him out?

I wouldn't buy him out. 

He can be traded to a team on his list (provided they want him).  Since he can't be sent down, the other option is to sit him in the press box.  If he wants to play he'll have to accept a trade.  I feel like that's probably how it will go down, but not in a threatening way.  I think Komi's cool enough to lift his NTC if the destination is at least reasonable and he has a shot at proving he's worth another NHL contract by getting some ice time.

He actually has 2 bloody years left at $4.5M.  I don't know what GM in his right mind would take him, other than if they have to reach the cap-floor and want that salary on the books to get the "veteran leaderhship" that he provides.  ???

He is actually only owed 3.5 mil over the next 2 yrs although the cap hit is 4.5. Still, very expensive for a 6th spot dman,

 

[Deebo]

Cap hits for Mike Komisarek buyout from CapGeek.com
◦ 2012-13: $2,166,667
◦ 2013-14: $2,166,667
◦ 2014-15: $1,166,667
◦ 2015-16: $1,166,667

 

[Tigger]

Cap hits for Mike Komisarek buyout from CapGeek.com
◦ 2012-13: $2,166,667
◦ 2013-14: $2,166,667
◦ 2014-15: $1,166,667
◦ 2015-16: $1,166,667

Good lord, have to hope there's a free buyout available or some such, that's just too much, especially with Tucker still on for 2 more years. Like I was hinting I'd think about make him a 4th liner for a couple years if he was not tradeable.

Better to have him somewhere he wouldn't hurt the group than consistently being shot in the back of the head with a grenade launcher.

 

[maplesyrup]

Cap hits for Mike Komisarek buyout from CapGeek.com
◦ 2012-13: $2,166,667
◦ 2013-14: $2,166,667
◦ 2014-15: $1,166,667
◦ 2015-16: $1,166,667

Assuming no trade available this seems a no brainer to me.... 2.2 mil + Holzer (~ 1 mil.).. Or someone alike = 3.2 mil. It just has to be better than Komi @ 4.5 mil. - No? 

 

[Deebo]

Cap hits for Mike Komisarek buyout from CapGeek.com
◦ 2012-13: $2,166,667
◦ 2013-14: $2,166,667
◦ 2014-15: $1,166,667
◦ 2015-16: $1,166,667

Good lord, have to hope there's a free buyout available or some such, that's just too much, especially with Tucker still on for 2 more years. Like I was hinting I'd think about make him a 4th liner for a couple years if he was not tradeable.

Better to have him somewhere he wouldn't hurt the group than consistently being shot in the back of the head with a grenade launcher.

If his spot on the roster is replaced with a player making less than $2,333,333 (the differnce between the cap hit and buyout cap hit), you still have a net gain in cap space.

Say Holzer comes up and plays the 6/7 role at 700k, that frees up around 1.5 million to spend elsewhere.

 

[Deebo]

Cap hits for Mike Komisarek buyout from CapGeek.com
◦ 2012-13: $2,166,667
◦ 2013-14: $2,166,667
◦ 2014-15: $1,166,667
◦ 2015-16: $1,166,667

Assuming no trade available this seems a no brainer to me.... 2.2 mil + Holzer (~ 1 mil.).. Or someone alike = 3.2 mil. It just has to be better than Komi @ 4.5 mil. - No? 

Yup, I'd buy him out, if he couldn't be traded.

 

[bustaheims]

Assuming no trade available this seems a no brainer to me.... 2.2 mil + Holzer (~ 1 mil.).. Or someone alike = 3.2 mil. It just has to be better than Komi @ 4.5 mil. - No?

2 years of Komisarek @ $4.5M is preferable to 4 years of dead cap space, as far as I'm concerned. That $1.2M in years 3 and 4 could very well be more valuable to the team than the $2.3M in savings in years 1 and 2.

If the team is going to buy out Komisarek, the time to do it is next summer, not this summer.

 

[Tigger]

Cap hits for Mike Komisarek buyout from CapGeek.com
◦ 2012-13: $2,166,667
◦ 2013-14: $2,166,667
◦ 2014-15: $1,166,667
◦ 2015-16: $1,166,667

Good lord, have to hope there's a free buyout available or some such, that's just too much, especially with Tucker still on for 2 more years. Like I was hinting I'd think about make him a 4th liner for a couple years if he was not tradeable.

Better to have him somewhere he wouldn't hurt the group than consistently being shot in the back of the head with a grenade launcher.

If his spot on the roster is replaced with a player making less than $2,333,333 (the differnce between the cap hit and buyout cap hit), you still have a net gain in cap space.

Say Holzer comes up and plays the 6/7 role at 700k, that frees up around 1.5 million to spend elsewhere.

I get the reasoning for it but I'd rather have it over with in two years than spread it out over four barring a desperate need for cap space, which is far from a sure thing at this point.

Maybe I've just been staring at the Tucker buyout for too long...

 

[moon111]

I wouldn't give up on Komisarek, not with Wilson gone.  A new coach and system might work well for him.

 

[princedpw]

Assuming no trade available this seems a no brainer to me.... 2.2 mil + Holzer (~ 1 mil.).. Or someone alike = 3.2 mil. It just has to be better than Komi @ 4.5 mil. - No?

2 years of Komisarek @ $4.5M is preferable to 4 years of dead cap space, as far as I'm concerned. That $1.2M in years 3 and 4 could very well be more valuable to the team than the $2.3M in savings in years 1 and 2.

If the team is going to buy out Komisarek, the time to do it is next summer, not this summer.

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