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Kypreos: PK Subban traded to Nashville for Shea Weber

This seems to be a reasonable analysis:

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/predators-steal-p-k-subban-from-canadiens-trending-topics-225828388.html
 
herman said:
Odd that they'd take Weber if they're asking for that much from Edm.
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1) Montreal obviously thinks that Weber is better than Subban, so their value system is a little off.

2) I'm fairly certain Chiarelli just took over Ryan Rishaug's twitter account for an hour there for damage control.
 
Tim and Sid had a pretty good segment on this trade.

www.sportsnet.ca/shows/tim-and-sid-show/ts-race-factor-subbans-time-montreal/?row=2&row_id=1617293&xp=2899007&up=6
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Gord Miller ‏@GMillerTSN  1 minute ago
Bottom line on the Subban trade, from an NHL GM: "If you think Subban is one of the 15 best D-men in the NHL, it's a bad deal.  I don't."
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There's an NHL General Manager out there who thinks he can name 15 defenceman better than P.K. Subban.
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Probably Chiarelli.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Weber's potential cap recapture penalties if he retires early (via stanleycupofchowder):

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That whole thing was just insane by the NHL. I have no idea how it was approved. Imagine Weber retires with 1 year left on his deal?
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I've had a chance to digest this a bit. At first I couldn't believe it. But if you look at the numbers, Nashville's really gotten away with major cap savings for years now. For the last four years, he's been paid $14M per year with a cap hit of $7.86 for a savings of $6.14M/year. Times 4, that gives a total savings of $24.57M. (per your chart)

In light of this, I would have thought his contract was basically untradeable (from Nashville's perspective). Luckily for them, Weber will probably retire by 38.
 
Eh Montr?al, vous etes fou!

Trading Subban for one who is in decline?  Difficult as it is to believe that the Habs would make such a trade in the first place.

Perhaps the one who should have been traded is Bergevin!
 
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-couldnt-edmonton-montreal-make-deal/

?Why couldn?t Montreal and Edmonton work out a Taylor Hall?P.K. Subban deal??

The Oilers sure could?ve used Subban. We knew they were talking last week. Montreal initially asked for Leon Draisaitl, the No. 4 pick at Friday?s draft and more. That ?more? included either Oscar Klefbom and Darnell Nurse, plus something else. I can?t nail down what that ?something else? was, but it was not insignificant. It was a big price to pay, and Edmonton did not want to do that.

According to several sources, there was another possibility ? without Draisaitl. Was Hall there? I can?t say for sure. But I do think he?s got fans in the Montreal organization. So, why didn?t it happen?

Here?s a quote from a GM on a different team: ?How much are you paying Connor McDavid in two years? If you?re budgeting for $10M-11M, that?s $19M-$20M for him and Subban. Can you do it under this tighter cap??

I would suspect that?s the reason.

With McDavid?s next contract potentially massive, Peter Chiarelli looked elsewhere. The Hall-for-Adam Larsson deal saves Edmonton more than $1.8M in cap room. No doubt that?s why it was a one-for-one trade. New Jersey GM Ray Shero could say, ?I?m adding salary, I?m not giving up anything else.? He took a hard line.

The Oilers were interested in Larsson for a while. He?s similar to Klefbom in the sense he might not get a lot of points, but he?ll get the puck out of your zone quickly and send it up ice. I don?t think Hall was on the table until recently, as everything else they?d tried to pry Larsson loose with failed. It?s clear Edmonton desperately sought right-handed defensive help. They passed on Subban. Kevin Shattenkirk wasn?t signing long-term in northern Alberta. They asked Carolina about Justin Faulk, but the Hurricanes weren?t doing that without Edmonton sweetening the pie.

The biggest variable was how much pressure Edmonton felt to make a trade. Now, we know the answer.

As for Montreal, as a nightmare season wound down, one player said, ?They think we?re soft, physically and mentally.?

?They? referred to coaches and management. Look who?s new in town: Andrew Shaw and Shea Weber, neither of whom is known for a sweet in-game disposition.

After the draft, I looked through contracts that could be traded for Subban?s. Weber was on the list, but I discarded it because he didn?t fit the profile. The Canadiens? known asks (Colorado, Edmonton, Vancouver) were young. Weber, as everyone knows, is older. I?ll get into him a little more in a few sentences, but it?s hard to conclude anything but Montreal decided it was not keeping Subban past Friday?s no-trade deadline.

We?ve all wondered about the team?s internal politics. I?m not in that room, and I?m not going to pretend to know what I don?t know. But I do know this: Subban?s got a lot of great hockey in front of him. No one in the red-hot Quebec market can use his presence as an excuse any longer.

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1. It was impossible not to notice the anger from Canadiens fans. The age difference, the analytics numbers, etc. There is zero doubt Montreal was astonished by what happened in Carey Price?s absence last season and felt a tougher mindset was necessary.

There are very few players who can handle being traded for Subban. Weber is one. I can?t see him letting Montreal?s spotlight bother him. He commands a lot of respect in the league. The way he approaches games, the way he prepares, how hard it is to play against him. A couple of Western Conference forwards said some of their Eastern compatriots are in for a rude awakening.

?He?s got this nasty little crosscheck going into the corner,? one coach said. ?They never call it.?

Last week in Las Vegas, I asked Weber if he made any concessions to age in the summer.

?No,? he answered, ?I work out as hard as ever.?

2. For the record, two years ago when Philadelphia could have traded for Subban, I believe the offer Montreal turned down was Sean Couturier, Samuel Morin and a first-round pick.
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Explains a lot, but doesn't make it any less objectively foolish.
 
?Why couldn?t Montreal and Edmonton work out a Taylor Hall?P.K. Subban deal??

Because Montreal needed D in return.
 
I'm opening a new restaurant in Montreal called Chez Weber. You bring us a gourmet steak and we give you back a hamburger that costs more.

? Down Goes Brown (@DownGoesBrown) June 29, 2016
 
herman said:
I'm opening a new restaurant in Montreal called Chez Weber. You bring us a gourmet steak and we give you back a hamburger that costs more.

? Down Goes Brown (@DownGoesBrown) June 29, 2016
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It's not Weber's fault Bergevin and Therien are idiots.  Should be Chez Bergevin.
 
Coco-puffs said:
herman said:
I'm opening a new restaurant in Montreal called Chez Weber. You bring us a gourmet steak and we give you back a hamburger that costs more.

? Down Goes Brown (@DownGoesBrown) June 29, 2016
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It's not Weber's fault Bergevin and Therien are idiots.  Should be Chez Bergevin.
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Absolutely, but it's not as punny as Shea Weber to Chez Weber.
 
herman said:
I'm opening a new restaurant in Montreal called Chez Weber. You bring us a gourmet steak and we give you back a hamburger that costs more.

? Down Goes Brown (@DownGoesBrown) June 29, 2016
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lmao
 
Weber is a pretty good hockey player. I rather have Weber today then PK, 5 years from now probably PK. A lot can happen in 5 years. I don't understand the complete rage over this deal.
 
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