Leafs @ Bruins - Dec. 8th, 7:00pm EST - CBC
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Zee
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He wasn't going at high speed but a player shouldn't have to expect getting hit 2 seconds after releasing the puck. McAvoy was relaxed there not braced for a hit besides why should he have been? I know we're Leafs fans but that doesn't mean we have to defend every single action by a Leaf playerherman said:
Phileas Fogg
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herman said:
I don't like the hit much, but when I look at that link, and pause it when the puck leaves mcavoy's stick, there's only just over a second before hyman makes contact. Is that too much? I'm not sure what the standard is, but it didn't seem anything like what the commentators were making it out to be.
herman
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1 second game speed is a pretty long time.
10/10 times in a regular game, Hyman just skates by. There are many, many forechecking opportunities where he is in position to blow the defender up to take him off the puck with a slightly different route but he always goes for the hit and stick.
This time, he is clearly frustrated by how the game is going (and being called as Boston finishes their checks all the time) and he goes out of his way to give McAvoy a jolt. It's maybe half a second beyond the norm. He actually had a clear lane to come up behind McAvoy and really steamroll him if he was so inclined, but he slows down instead and checks him front and centre.
It's a bad hit. It's not a suspendable play.
Wagner's though, if Rielly didn't protect himself at the last microsecond, would've been a call to the principal's office. Seeing as how the NHL does not worry itself with policing intent, it'll also be a nothing.
10/10 times in a regular game, Hyman just skates by. There are many, many forechecking opportunities where he is in position to blow the defender up to take him off the puck with a slightly different route but he always goes for the hit and stick.
This time, he is clearly frustrated by how the game is going (and being called as Boston finishes their checks all the time) and he goes out of his way to give McAvoy a jolt. It's maybe half a second beyond the norm. He actually had a clear lane to come up behind McAvoy and really steamroll him if he was so inclined, but he slows down instead and checks him front and centre.
It's a bad hit. It's not a suspendable play.
Wagner's though, if Rielly didn't protect himself at the last microsecond, would've been a call to the principal's office. Seeing as how the NHL does not worry itself with policing intent, it'll also be a nothing.
You can go through video of any game and see "late" hits like that all the time. If McAvoy is paying attention this isn't even talked about. He's just standing there watching his pass. At some point players need to protect themselves otherwise just take hitting out of the game.
This is like blaming the train for hitting the guy standing on the tracks.
This is like blaming the train for hitting the guy standing on the tracks.
ZBBM
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Like herman said, Hyman's trajectory was taking him past McAvoy but he shifts slightly to the left to lay the hit. And this is the 2nd game back for McAvoy after a concussion.
I mean, seriously. If someone did that same move and landed it on Matthews' shoulder his 2nd game back, there'd be a 20-page thread on it here.
I mean, seriously. If someone did that same move and landed it on Matthews' shoulder his 2nd game back, there'd be a 20-page thread on it here.
azzurri63
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I didn't think it was that bad and Im not saying that because it was one of their guys. So McFate because it's his second game back what does that mean? If a player has had a concussion does it mean he's off limit? I don't like anyone getting concussed but its part of the game. If you don't want to be subjected to one in your career then look for another profession. Unfortunately that's the way it is. Can't take hitting away from the game. When they do that I will no longer watch it.
The hit by Reaves the other night on Wilson was worse completely avoidable and blindsided. Reaves knew it was Wilson and he figured he would give him a taste of his own medicine. Wilson is dirty so tit for tat. To me that hit was a lot worse than Hyman's.
I agree with TML the players have to be held responsible sometimes. McAvoy is looking the other way and admiring his pass. He knew Hyman was there pass it off and either skate away or prepare yourself.
Like I said seen a lot worse and whether late or not the 2 minute penalty was the right call. No discipline and the bulls*t after is what the league needs to enforce.
Finally the other thing that is stupidity from the league is how they determine the length of a suspension due to the injury to the player. That should have nothing to do with it. I could take an illegal hit and go down but miss no time. Another person may take the same hit and be injured and miss time. Should that determine the length of the suspension? Not in my mind. Should be the same in both cases.
League disciplinary is a joke always has been always will.
The hit by Reaves the other night on Wilson was worse completely avoidable and blindsided. Reaves knew it was Wilson and he figured he would give him a taste of his own medicine. Wilson is dirty so tit for tat. To me that hit was a lot worse than Hyman's.
I agree with TML the players have to be held responsible sometimes. McAvoy is looking the other way and admiring his pass. He knew Hyman was there pass it off and either skate away or prepare yourself.
Like I said seen a lot worse and whether late or not the 2 minute penalty was the right call. No discipline and the bulls*t after is what the league needs to enforce.
Finally the other thing that is stupidity from the league is how they determine the length of a suspension due to the injury to the player. That should have nothing to do with it. I could take an illegal hit and go down but miss no time. Another person may take the same hit and be injured and miss time. Should that determine the length of the suspension? Not in my mind. Should be the same in both cases.
League disciplinary is a joke always has been always will.
hockeyfan1
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This was clearly the Leafs worst game this year in every area -- goal, defence, and offence.
Andersen's off night, the parting of the defence by the Bruins as though it was the Red Sea, and the hits (from both teams) that reared it's ugly side. Plus the fact that, though the Leafs tried valiantly for a comeback, some of their best played amongst their worst showing for the night. Add to that the fact that again Toronto seems somewhat spooked by a Boston team that didn't even need to be out in full force, (except for when the going got rough & tough), goes to show that the Toronto Maple Leafs still can't, won't, or simply fail in finding a strategy in dealing with playing the Bruins.
Come playoff time, they'd better have one figured out.
Andersen's off night, the parting of the defence by the Bruins as though it was the Red Sea, and the hits (from both teams) that reared it's ugly side. Plus the fact that, though the Leafs tried valiantly for a comeback, some of their best played amongst their worst showing for the night. Add to that the fact that again Toronto seems somewhat spooked by a Boston team that didn't even need to be out in full force, (except for when the going got rough & tough), goes to show that the Toronto Maple Leafs still can't, won't, or simply fail in finding a strategy in dealing with playing the Bruins.
Come playoff time, they'd better have one figured out.
Kin
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I think it's a pretty bad hit. Clearly late, clearly going out of his way to hit him and without even the ancillary justification of even taking him out of the play.
If I were running the NHL this is exactly the sort of hit I'd be looking to get rid of. Dangerous to the player and in no way the sort of physicality that makes the game exciting. This isn't an open ice hit to separate a player from the puck or anything that could at all be called a defensive play.
To the extent that it's worthy of any particular punishment, who the heck knows? I don't think it's worse than the Wilson hit last week.
If I were running the NHL this is exactly the sort of hit I'd be looking to get rid of. Dangerous to the player and in no way the sort of physicality that makes the game exciting. This isn't an open ice hit to separate a player from the puck or anything that could at all be called a defensive play.
To the extent that it's worthy of any particular punishment, who the heck knows? I don't think it's worse than the Wilson hit last week.