Leafs @ Canadiens - May 29th, 7:30pm - CBC, Fan 590

[ZBBM]

I think that Deebo gave a very reasoned explanation as to why they may not watch.  I could see others feeling the same way.  Some people don't like the tension that a game 7 creates, especially when it could create a series of ups and downs that would be hard to regulate your emotions on.

When I was younger, I loved it.

Things have changed for me over the last few years and I hate getting worked up over something so trivial as sports, so sometimes I avoid it.

I feel you, and I think I am in the same spot.  I get torn because I want to watch, but I really don't like how the games make me feel or act as they play out.  The whole situation makes me feel worse because it's not a problem if they are winning, or even playing well in most cases, but when things go off the rails for the team, then I start looking for answers, and I have a hard time finding them.  That makes me feel like a sore loser.

Being a sports fan is really such a weird thing. We look for explanations for subpar performance, try to come up with answers or things to do (trade Marner for example) but in fact we have absolutely no control over any aspect of it. That must be messing with our brains in some way!

I don't care if the team loses if they appear to be playing up to their abilities, giving full effort, playing smart. I haven't seen that for large stretches of the last 2 games. If they're not putting in the effort, why should I spend my time and aggravate myself watching another game 7 loss. I don't know. I've invested so much time and energy this season I'll probably wind up putting the game on and if they win I'll be happy, at least for a while. I can't fault anyone for skipping it though.

I allowed myself to entertain the thought, after they went up 3-1, that they had finally turned the corner.  I said at the time that these Leafs look different.  They have much better structure, play better defense, etc.

But then they turn in performances like these last 2 games, and I see that I was wrong, again.

I still am declaring that they'll win Game 7.  It's a matter of probability: they more likely than not are NOT going to lose 3 in a row to most teams, and not Montreal.  But no matter what happens, any belief that this group has what it takes to win a championship is hard to hold right now.  It's the same old story: no killer instinct, no mental toughness when presented with adversity. 

If they lose Monday there are no obvious next steps to take.  Dubas checked all the boxes this time, to his credit. 

 

[ZBBM]

But would that stop you from actually watching Game 7? I guess what I'm saying is sure, it will be a new low. But if they win I really don't want to see these "I'm not watching game 7" people back for Round 2.

I may not watch, it's not because I don't care or I've given up. I know it will sound stupid or that I take it too seriously or whatever, but I don't respond well physically to watching games like this. Heart rate, stress level.. I just don't like how it feels.

I get wound up to and a lot I post reflects that and why I get criticized. Even moreso when we lose to these d88kwads.

Quit apologizing, azzurri.  There's nothing wrong with a fan wearing his heart on his sleeve.  That's what it means to be a fan.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1398836771530682374
Man, Marner... that?s not good. Is he speaking for himself or trying to throw someone under the bus without naming names

 

[azzurri63]

But would that stop you from actually watching Game 7? I guess what I'm saying is sure, it will be a new low. But if they win I really don't want to see these "I'm not watching game 7" people back for Round 2.

I may not watch, it's not because I don't care or I've given up. I know it will sound stupid or that I take it too seriously or whatever, but I don't respond well physically to watching games like this. Heart rate, stress level.. I just don't like how it feels.

I get wound up to and a lot I post reflects that and why I get criticized. Even moreso when we lose to these d88kwads.

Quit apologizing, azzurri.  There's nothing wrong with a fan wearing his heart on his sleeve.  That's what it means to be a fan.

I feel bad because I get frustrated and it shows and some on here don't like me for that. All good we all have our opinion. I have thick skin. Posted many times and like Chris been passionate about this team for almost 50 years. Enough is enough. My Dad was a diehard Leaf fan as well and poor bugger he didn't get a chance to see them hoist a cup. That's all I would like. Like Chris said the most frustrating part is clearly they are a better team. Injuries have hurt us but when they come to play they dominate. So confusing why they can't put in a 60 minute effort.

 

[azzurri63]

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1398836771530682374
Man, Marner... that?s not good. Is he speaking for himself or trying to throw someone under the bus without naming names

If he is throwing someone under the bus he should look at himself in the mirror.

 

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1398836771530682374
Man, Marner... that?s not good. Is he speaking for himself or trying to throw someone under the bus without naming names

The time for talk has long passed, Mitch. Put up or shut up.

Edit to add...I just read that quote again and it sounds even worse the second time. If Marner thinks they have to start on time because other people are saying it, then...just wow. It almost sounds like he doesn't think it's a problem except for the fact that "it's getting said a lot."

 

[Britishbulldog]

I think that Deebo gave a very reasoned explanation as to why they may not watch.  I could see others feeling the same way.  Some people don't like the tension that a game 7 creates, especially when it could create a series of ups and downs that would be hard to regulate your emotions on.

When I was younger, I loved it.

Things have changed for me over the last few years and I hate getting worked up over something so trivial as sports, so sometimes I avoid it.

I feel you, and I think I am in the same spot.  I get torn because I want to watch, but I really don't like how the games make me feel or act as they play out.  The whole situation makes me feel worse because it's not a problem if they are winning, or even playing well in most cases, but when things go off the rails for the team, then I start looking for answers, and I have a hard time finding them.  That makes me feel like a sore loser.

Being a sports fan is really such a weird thing. We look for explanations for subpar performance, try to come up with answers or things to do (trade Marner for example) but in fact we have absolutely no control over any aspect of it. That must be messing with our brains in some way!

I don't care if the team loses if they appear to be playing up to their abilities, giving full effort, playing smart. I haven't seen that for large stretches of the last 2 games. If they're not putting in the effort, why should I spend my time and aggravate myself watching another game 7 loss. I don't know. I've invested so much time and energy this season I'll probably wind up putting the game on and if they win I'll be happy, at least for a while. I can't fault anyone for skipping it though.

That's interesting.  I am at the same point in my life.    As some of you here might remember my grand daughter died with sids a few years ago, my mom passed suddenly a little over a year ago, some family situations are serious and this isn't as enjoyable when the team doesn't play as well as it could.  It really isn't about winning in my books, it is playing the best they can.  With life the way it is I just don't have the heart and energy for this like I used to.  But don't dare say I am not a Leafs fan anymore.

Anyway, Monday is my 53rd birthday and I hope our team delivers a win for my present.

 

[L K]

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1398836771530682374
Man, Marner... that?s not good. Is he speaking for himself or trying to throw someone under the bus without naming names

Marner has had some really baffling quotes in the last few years.  I don?t understand how a professional hockey team that thinks it is good can consistently come out of the gates this bad.  It?s unacceptable.  I honestly don?t know what you do with this group.  If they don?t win Game 7 I don?t know how you fix this. 

Kerfoot has pretty much guaranteed that he gets claimed in the expansion draft.  He?s been great.  His money gets eaten up by a Hyman extension.  Our depth is not getting it done.  We aren?t going to get Jason Spezza performances over and over again out of league minimum players. 

Thornton and Simmonds have done absolutely nothing this series.  Thornton really if anything has been responsible for more goals against than anyone else on the team. Wayne train had two hits against him tonight that were big hits.  He?s delivered precisely none back the entire series.

We changed up the powerplay briefly and somehow have gone right back to Marner and Rielly passing the puck on the perimeter with Thornton doing absolutely nothing while sitting behind/beside the net.  We have a Matthews sitting in a less optimal shooting spot.  If you can?t find a way to get Matthews shooting opportunities on the PP I just don?t know.  Ovechkin has been stationary in the same bloody spot on the PP and he still manages to get 1000 shots a year on the PP.  how do you not figure out that you need to get the puck to Matthews.  It?s just broken.  But hey let?s do nothing and just put up our hands because why not just run our heads into the brick wall a few more times instead.  If Keefe can?t figure out that what they are doing isn?t working maybe he just isn?t as good of a coach as we thought.   

I?m frustrated.  I?m frustrated with the effort of the team. I?m frustrated with our top heavy lineup not producing....AGAIN.  Even if we win Game 7 it doesn?t feel great because this series shouldn?t have gone 7 games.  I?ll be watching on Monday.  I?ll also be watching next season too but this organization keeps chipping away at my excitement for hockey.

 

[4EVRLEAFAN]

Without question if we lose game 7 it will eclipse Boston as the worst melt down in Leafs history, Montreal is a terrible team this year and we should have come firing and dominated from the first puck drop not this garbage. If they lose there had better be major changes.

 

[rdowdall]

I think that Deebo gave a very reasoned explanation as to why they may not watch.  I could see others feeling the same way.  Some people don't like the tension that a game 7 creates, especially when it could create a series of ups and downs that would be hard to regulate your emotions on.

When I was younger, I loved it.

Things have changed for me over the last few years and I hate getting worked up over something so trivial as sports, so sometimes I avoid it.

I feel you, and I think I am in the same spot.  I get torn because I want to watch, but I really don't like how the games make me feel or act as they play out.  The whole situation makes me feel worse because it's not a problem if they are winning, or even playing well in most cases, but when things go off the rails for the team, then I start looking for answers, and I have a hard time finding them.  That makes me feel like a sore loser.

Being a sports fan is really such a weird thing. We look for explanations for subpar performance, try to come up with answers or things to do (trade Marner for example) but in fact we have absolutely no control over any aspect of it. That must be messing with our brains in some way!

I don't care if the team loses if they appear to be playing up to their abilities, giving full effort, playing smart. I haven't seen that for large stretches of the last 2 games. If they're not putting in the effort, why should I spend my time and aggravate myself watching another game 7 loss. I don't know. I've invested so much time and energy this season I'll probably wind up putting the game on and if they win I'll be happy, at least for a while. I can't fault anyone for skipping it though.

That's interesting.  I am at the same point in my life.    As some of you here might remember my grand daughter died with sids a few years ago, my mom passed suddenly a little over a year ago, some family situations are serious and this isn't as enjoyable when the team doesn't play as well as it could.  It really isn't about winning in my books, it is playing the best they can.  With life the way it is I just don't have the heart and energy for this like I used to.  But don't dare say I am not a Leafs fan anymore.

Anyway, Monday is my 53rd birthday and I hope our team delivers a win for my present.

My birthday is on Friday.  I always said that for my birthday I just wanted to see the Leafs playing hockey.  Thought this would be the year where they pulled it off, with the loophole mind you.  Now it looks like that isn't going to happen.

Matthews shooting percentage in the playoffs is abysmal.  Marner has 0 goals in his last 10 playoff games.  I fear the Leafs have hitched their wagon to two players that can't figure the playoffs out.

 

[Redleaf]

I think that Deebo gave a very reasoned explanation as to why they may not watch.  I could see others feeling the same way.  Some people don't like the tension that a game 7 creates, especially when it could create a series of ups and downs that would be hard to regulate your emotions on.

When I was younger, I loved it.

Things have changed for me over the last few years and I hate getting worked up over something so trivial as sports, so sometimes I avoid it.

I feel you, and I think I am in the same spot.  I get torn because I want to watch, but I really don't like how the games make me feel or act as they play out.  The whole situation makes me feel worse because it's not a problem if they are winning, or even playing well in most cases, but when things go off the rails for the team, then I start looking for answers, and I have a hard time finding them.  That makes me feel like a sore loser.

Being a sports fan is really such a weird thing. We look for explanations for subpar performance, try to come up with answers or things to do (trade Marner for example) but in fact we have absolutely no control over any aspect of it. That must be messing with our brains in some way!

I don't care if the team loses if they appear to be playing up to their abilities, giving full effort, playing smart. I haven't seen that for large stretches of the last 2 games. If they're not putting in the effort, why should I spend my time and aggravate myself watching another game 7 loss. I don't know. I've invested so much time and energy this season I'll probably wind up putting the game on and if they win I'll be happy, at least for a while. I can't fault anyone for skipping it though.

That's interesting.  I am at the same point in my life.    As some of you here might remember my grand daughter died with sids a few years ago, my mom passed suddenly a little over a year ago, some family situations are serious and this isn't as enjoyable when the team doesn't play as well as it could.  It really isn't about winning in my books, it is playing the best they can.  With life the way it is I just don't have the heart and energy for this like I used to.  But don't dare say I am not a Leafs fan anymore.

Anyway, Monday is my 53rd birthday and I hope our team delivers a win for my present.

My birthday is on Friday.  I always said that for my birthday I just wanted to see the Leafs playing hockey.  Thought this would be the year where they pulled it off, with the loophole mind you.  Now it looks like that isn't going to happen.

Matthews shooting percentage in the playoffs is abysmal.  Marner has 0 goals in his last 10 playoff games.  I fear the Leafs have hitched their wagon to two players that can't figure the playoffs out.

I think it?s team toughness and determination that have been in question for some time now . They seem to have neither . But then again look at McDavids impact on Edmonton?s playoff success. 2 teams still trying to figure out how to win come playoff time. It has to break at some point and whether we like it or not , it may still be a few seasons away.

Or they could win on Monday and go on a run this year. You just never know with sports . We keep hoping for another level of play from these players and we?ve only seen glimpses of it . I haven?t given up hope for Monday but it certainly will be a long and interesting summer if they fall.

And I guess I should consider myself lucky because they won on my birthday last week.

 

[Courtnall]

It?s hard being a leafs fan I tell ya. The ridicule........aye yai yai yai (uncle roger)

 

[rdowdall]

I think that Deebo gave a very reasoned explanation as to why they may not watch.  I could see others feeling the same way.  Some people don't like the tension that a game 7 creates, especially when it could create a series of ups and downs that would be hard to regulate your emotions on.

When I was younger, I loved it.

Things have changed for me over the last few years and I hate getting worked up over something so trivial as sports, so sometimes I avoid it.

I feel you, and I think I am in the same spot.  I get torn because I want to watch, but I really don't like how the games make me feel or act as they play out.  The whole situation makes me feel worse because it's not a problem if they are winning, or even playing well in most cases, but when things go off the rails for the team, then I start looking for answers, and I have a hard time finding them.  That makes me feel like a sore loser.

Being a sports fan is really such a weird thing. We look for explanations for subpar performance, try to come up with answers or things to do (trade Marner for example) but in fact we have absolutely no control over any aspect of it. That must be messing with our brains in some way!

I don't care if the team loses if they appear to be playing up to their abilities, giving full effort, playing smart. I haven't seen that for large stretches of the last 2 games. If they're not putting in the effort, why should I spend my time and aggravate myself watching another game 7 loss. I don't know. I've invested so much time and energy this season I'll probably wind up putting the game on and if they win I'll be happy, at least for a while. I can't fault anyone for skipping it though.

That's interesting.  I am at the same point in my life.    As some of you here might remember my grand daughter died with sids a few years ago, my mom passed suddenly a little over a year ago, some family situations are serious and this isn't as enjoyable when the team doesn't play as well as it could.  It really isn't about winning in my books, it is playing the best they can.  With life the way it is I just don't have the heart and energy for this like I used to.  But don't dare say I am not a Leafs fan anymore.

Anyway, Monday is my 53rd birthday and I hope our team delivers a win for my present.

My birthday is on Friday.  I always said that for my birthday I just wanted to see the Leafs playing hockey.  Thought this would be the year where they pulled it off, with the loophole mind you.  Now it looks like that isn't going to happen.

Matthews shooting percentage in the playoffs is abysmal.  Marner has 0 goals in his last 10 playoff games.  I fear the Leafs have hitched their wagon to two players that can't figure the playoffs out.

I think it?s team toughness and determination that have been in question for some time now . They seem to have neither . But then again look at McDavids impact on Edmonton?s playoff success. 2 teams still trying to figure out how to win come playoff time. It has to break at some point and whether we like it or not , it may still be a few seasons away.

Or they could win on Monday and go on a run this year. You just never know with sports . We keep hoping for another level of play from these players and we?ve only seen glimpses of it . I haven?t given up hope for Monday but it certainly will be a long and interesting summer if they fall.

And I guess I should consider myself lucky because they won on my birthday last week.

I definitely think it has to do with the mental side of sport, and this is where I fear things get lost when all you do is focus on the numbers.  If you think about it, focusing on the advanced analytics part is easy.  It's quantifiable.  You can hire people to provide you with that information.

Figuring out who has the character and the mental fortitude to keep playing, and keep pushing when you think things are going to be easy, or even on the flip side, when you think things are going to be tough?  That's hard.  I think it's a weakness in the Leafs and their approach to team building.  I think they can very easily point to all the numbers that say they should be winning.  The scary thing is I don't think they have the people in management who can objectively answer why they aren't.

 

[Bullfrog]

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1398836771530682374
Man, Marner... that?s not good. Is he speaking for himself or trying to throw someone under the bus without naming names

I don't there's any hidden meaning there. As a team, they didn't seem ready.

 

[Arn]

The TV schedule so far in the UK

BT Sport
Premier Sport
Premier Sport
Premier Sport
BT Sport

Tonight?s game is on.... BT Sport

I?m not saying anything. But based on that the omens aren?t good for tonight.

OK, Arn, I kid you not: driving in this evening to watch the game I happened to glance down at my odometer and it read 666.6.  Four sixes.  I interpret that to mean that one team will come out of this game 6 with a 4th win.  And there's only one team that can do that.

We'll see which omen wins out.

Well, Mondays game is currently listed as TBC in terms of TV. I?m desperately hoping it?s Premier Sports.

If they lose this game 7 it might be the final breaking point. I?m not getting any younger and I struggle to recover without my full nights sleep these days.

I?ve sat up til 3am countless times over the last couple of decades through some pretty horrifically poor iterations of this Leafs team and it would be sad to lose that connection but a loss in this series would just be that hard to stomach as I felt it was about time for all that invest,ent of my sleeping hours should be paid off about now.

I?ll probably keep an eye on results and I plan to do another trip to Toronto with my son when he?s old enough in a few years, but....

 

[louisstamos]

Without question if we lose game 7 it will eclipse Boston as the worst melt down in Leafs history, Montreal is a terrible team this year and we should have come firing and dominated from the first puck drop not this garbage. If they lose there had better be major changes.

My logic is this though - think about what Boston went through in that situation in 2013.  That Leafs team had no business being in the playoffs (they missed the year before and the year after), and rode an abnormally high PDO and James Reimer playing out of his mind in a shortened season into the playoffs.  They were up 3 games to 1 and were clearly the better team, before the Leafs tied the series (again, with Reimer providing lights out goaltending), but ended up winning in game #7 (in the spectacular fashion we all remember).  Imagine all the questions they went through, both during and after that.

After winning that series, they practically coasted to the cup final before losing to Chicago.

Montreal is a team that is just giving the Leafs fits for whatever reason, and it's worth remembering that we're also down our captain *and* possibly our #1 defenseman now.  If they can get over this hump, I still believe they can do good - just getting over this hump is the hardest part.  That Boston team at least had the experience as they were 2 years removed from their cup win.  I'm still hopeful the Leafs can figure it out.

 

[L K]

After tearing up my backyard and thinking about the team if they lose tomorrow I?m not watching them again this season

 

[Guilt Trip]

After tearing up my backyard and thinking about the team if they lose tomorrow I?m not watching them again this season

Hahaha.

 

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1398836771530682374
Man, Marner... that?s not good. Is he speaking for himself or trying to throw someone under the bus without naming names

I don't there's any hidden meaning there. As a team, they didn't seem ready.

I think the (not so) hidden meaning, from the quote and the play, is "we got paid and now don't give a damn." Or perhaps "we got too caught up in the press clippings about how good we were and figured we could sleepwalk through this series and come out ahead."

This just demonstrates a high level of immaturity. Maybe they need to lose this series before the switch finally gets flipped. This is the first time they've been considered a strong favorite and they are about to blow a 3-1 series lead. If that doesn't make an impression, I don't know what will.

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1398836771530682374
Man, Marner... that?s not good. Is he speaking for himself or trying to throw someone under the bus without naming names

I don't there's any hidden meaning there. As a team, they didn't seem ready.

I think the (not so) hidden meaning, from the quote and the play, is "we got paid and now don't give a damn." Or perhaps "we got too caught up in the press clippings about how good we were and figured we could sleepwalk through this series and come out ahead."

This just demonstrates a high level of immaturity. Maybe they need to lose this series before the switch finally gets flipped. This is the first time they've been considered a strong favorite and they are about to blow a 3-1 series lead. If that doesn't make an impression, I don't know what will.

It's all just hockey cliches. Nothing more or less.