Leafs Get Andersen from Ducks
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Potvin29 said:
When you consider that a) Bernier's stats are only a little worse than Andersen's the past 3 years and b) Bernier wouldn't have cost draft picks to acquire and c) Bernier would have likely came at a cheaper cap hit then I think you can make a case that that might have been a better alternative.
Joe S. said:
I checked this earlier in the offseason. If you look at all the starters or 1A/1B guys in the league this past season the average age they reached that point in their careers was 24.
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Just curious what in Anderson's play is scaring people of so much? I know people can be gun shy because this type of deal didn't work in the past with previous GM's pulling trigger
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Joe S. said:
The elite guys are usually regulars at the lower end of that age range, other reliable starters at the higher end. Guys that don't become starters until they're outside that age range tend to have a short shelf life.
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Burke had his networks too. Crony-ism isn't really ideal.TBLeafer said:
That said I'm fine with this trade. I always expected them to have to trade for a goalie and the right one don't always come available exactly when you need them to.
Crake said:
Its interesting though that the expansion draft is shaping up to be a buyer's market that he seems to want no business being a part of. This is the tender he's decided to build around for better or for worse and will probably select one for the future through the draft.
He has my full support. He isn't building next season's team with plugs. He's building next season's team with the bulk of what is going to be the next core mostly in place.
No more Bernier/Reimer controversy and possibly no more Bernier, either.
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Andy007 said:
And they haven't paid him top-tier starting money either. What's the alternative they would have done with that 30th pick? Draft a goalie and hope he develops in 3-5 years? At least with this move the Leafs should have dependable goaltending in the near term. If that helps the group play better in front of him and gain confidence knowing they have a reliable guy back there, it helps the overall development of the team.
This doesn't prevent the Leafs from still drafting a goalie in later rounds and hoping he's ready in 5 years.
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CarltonTheBear said:
I would imagine this deal is as sure of a sign you can get that they are not comfortable with Bernier as their #1 for whatever reason. I can certainly see where there are some red flags with him in terms of perceived mental focus, maybe that was it for them.
if they had signed him to an offer sheet it would have cost a 1st and a 3rd...their own picks. They moved the third to a second in order to be able to use pittsburgh's 1st...at least thats how I see it. Plus if they use one of SJ's 2nds it'll in all likelihood be lower than the leafs next year.
thats my take on teh return for the trade.
thats my take on teh return for the trade.
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Frank E said:
What am I missing? I don't see anything wrong with it. Especially considering they filled a need and still have 10 picks to work with. If the Leafs traded the 31st and something else for a 27-year old Shattenkirk, I'd be all over that as well.
When did 27 years old become an over-the-hill age anyways? It's not like they traded those picks for a 37-year old Luongo.
cabber24 said:
The first round pick is 30th overall... not exactly prime blue chip territory...
Here are all the 30th overall picks from 2014 to 2000
Round Num. Drafted By Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM Last Season
1 30 New Jersey John Quenneville C Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL] 0 0 0 0 0
1 30 Chicago Ryan Hartman R Plymouth Whalers [OHL] 8 0 1 1 2 2015-16
1 30 Los Angeles Tanner Pearson L Barrie Colts [OHL] 146 30 29 59 40 2015-16
1 30 Anaheim Rickard Rakell C Plymouth Whalers [OHL] 165 29 49 78 31 2015-16
1 30 NY Islanders Brock Nelson C Warroad H.S. [Minn.] 235 60 48 108 66 2015-16
1 30 Pittsburgh Simon Despres D Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 192 6 37 43 150 2015-16
1 30 Detroit Tom McCollum G Guelph Storm [OHL] 3 0 0 0 0 2014-15
1 30 Phoenix Nick Ross D Regina Pats [WHL] 0 0 0 0 0
1 30 New Jersey Matt Corrente D Saginaw Spirit [OHL] 34 0 6 6 68 2010-11
1 30 Tampa Bay Vladimir Mihalik D Presov (Slovakia-2) 15 0 3 3 8 2009-10
1 30 Tampa Bay Andy Rogers D Calgary Hitmen [WHL] 0 0 0 0 0
1 30 St. Louis Shawn Belle D Tri-City Americans [WHL] 20 0 1 1 2 2010-11
1 30 Atlanta Jim Slater C Michigan State University [CCHA] 584 67 71 138 407 2014-15
1 30 Los Angeles Dave Steckel C Ohio State University [CCHA] 425 33 46 79 129 2013-14
1 30 St. Louis Jeff Taffe C U. of Minnesota [WCHA] 180 21 25 46 40 2011-12
(sorry not the most readable - bottom line is nothing that impressive)
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Frank E said:
They accumulated picks to have assets at their disposal to either make picks or use them in deals for other players they want to acquire.
KadriFan said:
Well for me, there's 2 parts to it. The trade and the contract. As far as trade goes, I understand that what we gave up is probably roughly what a goalie like Andersen is worth. But I still feel like the Leafs could have used those picks in other ways that would have made more sense given where the team is at right now. Whether that's by picking someone at 30, using the pick to move up in the draft if someone they liked was available, or trading it in another deal. But, we used it the way we did. It's not the end of the world.
The contract is a little more what I have a problem with. In the most compact way I can phrase is what worries me is that we committed $25mil over 5 years to a 27-year old unproven player at the games most unpredictable position.
It's entirely possible that both the trade and the contract work out just fine and if that's the case I'll certainly be Andersen's biggest fan. But I can't not look at this all critically just because Lou is the one who pulled the trigger.