dekedastardly
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I miss Matt Martin.
Leafs @ Islanders - Feb. 28th, 7:00pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
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hockeyfan1
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Sean Avery weighs in on the Tavares treatment by Islanders fans...
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OldTimeHockey
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Peter D. said:
Wouldn't that just result in linesmen now watching video to determine if the skate is an inch over an imaginary plane? If the camera is not 100% in line with the blue paint, doesn't that plane change?
OldTimeHockey
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Bullfrog said:
That's what I meant. If the view is towards the neutral zone side of the blueline, the player will always appear closer to being offside. If it's towards the O'zone then the player will appear to be closer to being onside.
I personally think offsides has a place in the game. I would hate to see a game that is just stretch passes. But, I also didn't like the idea of removing the two line pass....so I'm sure I'd get over offsides being removed.
Can we go with a basketball style set up with a half court line? Do we start calling Over and back?
Bullfrog
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Here's the official rule:
Rule 83 ? Off-side
83.1 Off-side - Players of the attacking team must not precede the puck into the attacking zone.
The position of the player?s skates and not that of his stick shall be the determining factor in all instances in deciding an off-side. A player is off-side when both skates are completely over the leading edge of the blue line involved in the play.
A player is on-side when either of his skates are in contact with, or on his own side of the line, at the instant the puck completely crosses the leading edge of the blue line regardless of the position of his stick. However, a player actually controlling the puck who shall cross the line ahead of the puck shall not be considered ?off-side,? provided he had possession and control of the puck prior to his skates crossing the blue line.
It should be noted that while the position of the player?s skates is what determines whether a player is ?off-side,? nevertheless the question of an ?off-side? never arises until the puck has completely crossed the leading edge of the blue line at which time the decision is to be made.
If a player legally carries or passes the puck back into his own defending zone while a player of the opposing team is in such defending zone, the off-side shall be ignored and play permitted to continue.
There are further clarifications for deflections, re-entry, etc. I don't see any clarification on whether it's a vertical plane or the ice surface. Given they paint the sides of the boards, I have to assume a vertical plane is implied, but that doesn't seem consistent with past rulings. The bolded part does mention about contact with the blue line, but the second half puts that into doubt for me.
Rule 83 ? Off-side
83.1 Off-side - Players of the attacking team must not precede the puck into the attacking zone.
The position of the player?s skates and not that of his stick shall be the determining factor in all instances in deciding an off-side. A player is off-side when both skates are completely over the leading edge of the blue line involved in the play.
A player is on-side when either of his skates are in contact with, or on his own side of the line, at the instant the puck completely crosses the leading edge of the blue line regardless of the position of his stick. However, a player actually controlling the puck who shall cross the line ahead of the puck shall not be considered ?off-side,? provided he had possession and control of the puck prior to his skates crossing the blue line.
It should be noted that while the position of the player?s skates is what determines whether a player is ?off-side,? nevertheless the question of an ?off-side? never arises until the puck has completely crossed the leading edge of the blue line at which time the decision is to be made.
If a player legally carries or passes the puck back into his own defending zone while a player of the opposing team is in such defending zone, the off-side shall be ignored and play permitted to continue.
There are further clarifications for deflections, re-entry, etc. I don't see any clarification on whether it's a vertical plane or the ice surface. Given they paint the sides of the boards, I have to assume a vertical plane is implied, but that doesn't seem consistent with past rulings. The bolded part does mention about contact with the blue line, but the second half puts that into doubt for me.
herman
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"his own side of the line" refers to the NZ white ice and sadly does not imply a plane. While Hyman's skate was certainly not completely past the blue line, you can't say it was on his side of the ice or in contact with the blue line.
The NHL likes its rules to be objective and concrete (e.g. initial head contact, or goalie skates outside of the crease) to avoid dispute.
The NHL likes its rules to be objective and concrete (e.g. initial head contact, or goalie skates outside of the crease) to avoid dispute.
OldTimeHockey
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cabber24 said:
I know what the rule is now. I was responding to the idea to use an NFL type of plain.