Leafs Playoffs - Casual Fan Edition
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hockeyfan1
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Zee said:
It's going to take a lot more than Andersen, but yes, Freddie needs to step up. The Leafs fate rests (partially) in his hands.
The stars will align for for our boys tonight. C'mon Awesome & Nifty...go get 'em!
GO LEAFS GO!
Okay. A couple people have asked me to review this thread.
I have, and I'm honestly stuck for a solution to how one or more posters make it less enjoyable for others.
I recognize some aren't happy. I recognize that the boards have less visitors than, say, two years ago.
Any suggestions? Feel free to post here or message me in private. Rick
I have, and I'm honestly stuck for a solution to how one or more posters make it less enjoyable for others.
I recognize some aren't happy. I recognize that the boards have less visitors than, say, two years ago.
Any suggestions? Feel free to post here or message me in private. Rick
OldTimeHockey
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Rick,
I personally feel that this site has always had an air of arrogance but I've come to accept it as "just the way it is." I've been coming here for quite a while but refrain from posting often for this very reason.
That being said, I'm not sure why this thread can't exist. Some of us enjoy barroom banter without all the acronym's and decimal places that takes place with advanced stats. I don't necessarily have an issue with advanced stats. I personally don't feel like spending time breaking the game down into that much detail. It seems to suck some of the fun out of the game for me. If that makes me an "ignoramus"...so be it. But if we're going to be considered ignorant for not wanting to talk the fine numbers, don't be upset when someone calls you arrogant or a dick.
I personally feel that this site has always had an air of arrogance but I've come to accept it as "just the way it is." I've been coming here for quite a while but refrain from posting often for this very reason.
That being said, I'm not sure why this thread can't exist. Some of us enjoy barroom banter without all the acronym's and decimal places that takes place with advanced stats. I don't necessarily have an issue with advanced stats. I personally don't feel like spending time breaking the game down into that much detail. It seems to suck some of the fun out of the game for me. If that makes me an "ignoramus"...so be it. But if we're going to be considered ignorant for not wanting to talk the fine numbers, don't be upset when someone calls you arrogant or a dick.
It's not an easy problem to solve. Rick I have sent you my suggestion which I think would definitely be a start and then we could take it from there. Honestly if we want to change the culture on this forum we have to start at the top and that means changing the moderation here for the better. The mods set the tone for the entire board, and if they are acting like pricks then it enables the trolls to run around unfettered. I was going to keep my thoughts private but I'm putting that out there in the hope that others will agree with me and help foster some positive change for the community here. For the traffic to drop during the past two years when it has been the most exciting time to be a Leafs fan in over twenty years it tells you something. Something has to be done IMO.
Kin
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I think way too many people have focused on the first half of what WIGWAL wrote(which, admittedly, was not very nice) and not the second.
Nobody here has ever been forced to have a stats-heavy discussion and ignoring responses you're not interested in is super easy. And for everyone who's responded with "Why shouldn't this thread be allowed to exist?" has anyone seriously said otherwise? At best, some people have said that the accusations being levelled are unfair against the numbers-gang and, in my case, that there's a pretty dangerous level of hypocrisy on the part of some people when they accuse others of reacting badly to having opinions challenged.
Of course by saying "I don't think that what's being said is actually true" is, I'm sure, going to be filed in some people's minds as needlessly arrogant, argumentative or whatever but I honestly don't care. I think having a casual discussion thread is fine but I think it's really lousy that it so quickly devolved into basically just another moan-fest built on the cowardly slandering of long time board members.
Nobody here has ever been forced to have a stats-heavy discussion and ignoring responses you're not interested in is super easy. And for everyone who's responded with "Why shouldn't this thread be allowed to exist?" has anyone seriously said otherwise? At best, some people have said that the accusations being levelled are unfair against the numbers-gang and, in my case, that there's a pretty dangerous level of hypocrisy on the part of some people when they accuse others of reacting badly to having opinions challenged.
Of course by saying "I don't think that what's being said is actually true" is, I'm sure, going to be filed in some people's minds as needlessly arrogant, argumentative or whatever but I honestly don't care. I think having a casual discussion thread is fine but I think it's really lousy that it so quickly devolved into basically just another moan-fest built on the cowardly slandering of long time board members.
OldTimeHockey
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Nik the Trik said:
It never really went that way until one of those long time board members came in and said people were being ignorant. I suppose it was supposed to be a joke. Who can really tell anymore?
louisstamos
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Hey everyone - let's make fun of the Greek guy!
Bill_Berg
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Get a bunch of people together and they'll argue. That should be okay. But there are arguments and debate, and then there insulting tactics. Get rid of the insults and you get rid of the problem. No need to talk down to people, and if someone does, consider their opinion invalidated. Or ignore the asshole part of the comment and focus on the facts. And the fact is that most of the the time people are being assholes, they don't think they they're being assholes.
Kin
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Bill_Berg said:
I don't necessarily disagree but I don't think that's any sort of standard you can have for a relatively open message board. All of the mods/staff here are doing this on a volunteer basis and they're doing their best to uphold what are pretty clear cut rules. I don't think it would be fair to ask them to ensure every post is sufficiently respectful or tonally friendly or whatever. Not only because that's a subjective concept but also because my bet is everyone would have a floating standard based on whether or not they agreed with a post.
If you think a poster is too dismissive or rude or whatever, there is an ignore function. I really don't see how people making liberal use of that wouldn't entirely solve the issue here. If someone doesn't like how I, or anyone else, posts...put me or whoever on ignore.
I'm just gonna throw this out there. I like the boards and wouldn't change them. I'm not sure what air of arrogance or what have you others are referring to but I view this place as an oasis in a desert chock full of just god awful discussion. I came here in 2005 specifically because you can get reasoned, rational arguments here. What you get elsewhere is a hodgepodge of complete homers or the most knee jerk insane reactions on the planet. I can't even tell you how many posts/threads I've seen elsewhere saying we should trade Matthews because of his playoffs thus far. Really, so many other places make me hate being part of Leafs fandom - this place doesn't make me feel that.
Like with any place you take the good with the bad and honestly I think the good definitely outweighs the bad - which is why I still come here.
And now is as good a time as any to say Rick, I appreciate all the time and effort you've put into this place.
Like with any place you take the good with the bad and honestly I think the good definitely outweighs the bad - which is why I still come here.
And now is as good a time as any to say Rick, I appreciate all the time and effort you've put into this place.
OK, so it's a little ironic that what was supposed to be a light, stress-free thread to allow people to just basically vent about the team without being told they're wrong because "math" has turned into some kind of state of the union thing, and that was never my intention. Nor was it my intention to insult any fellow posters.
Like I said, a post I saw about how it was a pretty sparse thread for a playoff game just made me think, and it made me consider why I don't post as often as I used to. And a lot of it was simply because these days, if you post an opinion, you better have the numbers to back up every possible situation, when sometimes all people want is to watch the game and express what they see in front of them at any given time.
Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong, and expressing follow-up opinions is fine and welcomed, but it's like, when your wife/husband/whatever vents to you about their day, they don't want solutions. They want someone to listen. And if a conversation develops based on that, it's all good.
Again, the whole point was to provide a thread that was loose, like a chat in a bar, without it becoming like doing homework for an hour before you feel like you can post an opinion. I appreciate both sides of it, really, and I have no problem with those more in-depth discussions when I'm in the mood. But not everyone wants to research what (and just using him as an hypothetical here, for the record I think he's playing great) Gardiner's Corsi Close is in the last five minutes of a game on a defensive zone draw when they watch him make a bad play and vent about it.
This was never meant to alienate or attack anyone, it was simply meant to include everyone who wanted to just shoot the "stuff" about the team casually, the old (though I hate the term) eyeball-test conversations, I guess. I tried to be as careful as I could with the wording of the initial post so that would be clear, and in no way hostile, but I guess I wasn't careful enough.
Anyway, Go Leafs Go?
Like I said, a post I saw about how it was a pretty sparse thread for a playoff game just made me think, and it made me consider why I don't post as often as I used to. And a lot of it was simply because these days, if you post an opinion, you better have the numbers to back up every possible situation, when sometimes all people want is to watch the game and express what they see in front of them at any given time.
Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong, and expressing follow-up opinions is fine and welcomed, but it's like, when your wife/husband/whatever vents to you about their day, they don't want solutions. They want someone to listen. And if a conversation develops based on that, it's all good.
Again, the whole point was to provide a thread that was loose, like a chat in a bar, without it becoming like doing homework for an hour before you feel like you can post an opinion. I appreciate both sides of it, really, and I have no problem with those more in-depth discussions when I'm in the mood. But not everyone wants to research what (and just using him as an hypothetical here, for the record I think he's playing great) Gardiner's Corsi Close is in the last five minutes of a game on a defensive zone draw when they watch him make a bad play and vent about it.
This was never meant to alienate or attack anyone, it was simply meant to include everyone who wanted to just shoot the "stuff" about the team casually, the old (though I hate the term) eyeball-test conversations, I guess. I tried to be as careful as I could with the wording of the initial post so that would be clear, and in no way hostile, but I guess I wasn't careful enough.
Anyway, Go Leafs Go?