Leafs @ Red Wings - Oct. 11th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050

[TheMightyOdin]

So 4 points for JT...

Craziness

 

[ZBBM]

Another game where Gardiner (38%) and Zaitsev (29%) got beat up on the possession numbers. Think they're gonna have to shake up the 2nd and 3rd pairings soon.

Jake has been jakeing it up so far this young season.

 

[Al14]

Hainsey can't even execute a clean icing!  ;D

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Another game where Gardiner (38%) and Zaitsev (29%) got beat up on the possession numbers. Think they're gonna have to shake up the 2nd and 3rd pairings soon.

Jake has been jakeing it up so far this young season.

He's had a rough start yeah.

Dubas should obviously got on the phone with his agent right now and get him to re-sign at $4.05mil again.

 

[princedpw]

1) of course that?s the questions

Right, but it's never framed that way. Because "If they give Nylander what he wants, there'll be less money for Ron Hainsey" doesn't play very well. But realistically there's not going to be a huge difference in what's available to the Leafs if they sign their guys at 43 or 38 million. It's the difference between a couple low end depth guys or one medium depth guy and prospects/minimum salary guys who'll need to play at a high level.

I suppose it depends on one?s perspective but a $5 million difference seems quite significant to me.  The leafs are going to be in a situation where they have the high end guys, the $1 million guys (who you can?t save money on because they make close to the minimum) and only a couple of mid-tier guys.  The only way to bridge the gap is to delete a mid tier guy or two. 

One way to make up a $5 million difference would be to play a guy like Maracin or Carrick (or your average 6th defenseman) in place of Gardiner. That would hurt the defense so much that I think trading Nylander would probably optimize the lineup more.  One could also trade Kadri (but even reducing $4.5 mill to $2 only gets you halfway there). I see very few other ways to make up a $5 million gap in 2020 (assuming obvious deadweight like Hainsey and Marleau are gone).  Play Sparks as the starter and trade Anderson?  Trade Rielly? 

You can demonstrate it?s not as hard as I think with a plausible cap friendly roster that pays those top end guys what you think they deserve in 2020. 

Anyway, I?m still hoping Nylander is retained for $7 or a shade under over 6-7 years. 

 

[Kin]

I suppose it depends on one?s perspective but a $5 million difference seems quite significant to me.  The leafs are going to be in a situation where they have the high end guys, the $1 million guys (who you can?t save money on because they make close to the minimum) and only a couple of mid-tier guys.  The only way to bridge the gap is to delete a mid tier guy or two. 

One way to make up a $5 million difference would be to play a guy like Maracin or Carrick (or your average 6th defenseman) in place of Gardiner. That would hurt the defense so much that I think trading Nylander would probably optimize the lineup more.  One could also trade Kadri (but even reducing $4.5 mill to $2 only gets you halfway there). I see very few other ways to make up a $5 million gap in 2020 (assuming obvious deadweight like Hainsey and Marleau are gone).  Play Sparks as the starter and trade Anderson?  Trade Rielly? 

Well, I think maybe the error in perspective there is that you're looking to shave five million dollars off a team that's already 12 million dollars under the cap even with Horton's deal on the books.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Another game where Gardiner (38%) and Zaitsev (29%) got beat up on the possession numbers. Think they're gonna have to shake up the 2nd and 3rd pairings soon.

Jake has been jakeing it up so far this young season.

Most guys you'd love if they played every game like it's a Game 7, but Gardiner not so much...

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

It's come to the point now that if the Leafs get a power play and they don't score, I'm like, "WTF?"

 

[princedpw]

I suppose it depends on one?s perspective but a $5 million difference seems quite significant to me.  The leafs are going to be in a situation where they have the high end guys, the $1 million guys (who you can?t save money on because they make close to the minimum) and only a couple of mid-tier guys.  The only way to bridge the gap is to delete a mid tier guy or two. 

One way to make up a $5 million difference would be to play a guy like Maracin or Carrick (or your average 6th defenseman) in place of Gardiner. That would hurt the defense so much that I think trading Nylander would probably optimize the lineup more.  One could also trade Kadri (but even reducing $4.5 mill to $2 only gets you halfway there). I see very few other ways to make up a $5 million gap in 2020 (assuming obvious deadweight like Hainsey and Marleau are gone).  Play Sparks as the starter and trade Anderson?  Trade Rielly? 

Well, I think maybe the error in perspective there is that you're looking to shave five million dollars off a team that's already 12 million dollars under the cap even with Horton's deal on the books.

I?m talking about 2020 and beyond.

 

[Kin]

I?m talking about 2020 and beyond.

Right, but it seemed like you were trying to figure out a way to cut 5 million from this year's team.

Because for next year, I think Gardiner is gone regardless. Unless the Leafs were ever going to seriously entertain re-signing him to a UFA money sort of deal I think that's unconnected to their cap issues. His replacement would then hopefully be Liljegren or Sandin rather than Carrick or Marincin.

Likewise, there are some lineup spots currently making a few million dollars that you'd like to think could be replaced effectively from within. The first of the Hunter/Dubas drafts should be yielding talent now and that was always integral to the Leafs fitting under the cap next year.

There's no question that the Leafs making everything work for next year is tricky but that's been true since they signed Tavares. Does 43 vs. 38 make it more tricky? Yes, but it's just a difference of scale.

 

[ZBBM]

I suppose it depends on one?s perspective but a $5 million difference seems quite significant to me.  The leafs are going to be in a situation where they have the high end guys, the $1 million guys (who you can?t save money on because they make close to the minimum) and only a couple of mid-tier guys.  The only way to bridge the gap is to delete a mid tier guy or two. 

One way to make up a $5 million difference would be to play a guy like Maracin or Carrick (or your average 6th defenseman) in place of Gardiner. That would hurt the defense so much that I think trading Nylander would probably optimize the lineup more.  One could also trade Kadri (but even reducing $4.5 mill to $2 only gets you halfway there). I see very few other ways to make up a $5 million gap in 2020 (assuming obvious deadweight like Hainsey and Marleau are gone).  Play Sparks as the starter and trade Anderson?  Trade Rielly? 

Well, I think maybe the error in perspective there is that you're looking to shave five million dollars off a team that's already 12 million dollars under the cap even with Horton's deal on the books.

I?m talking about 2020 and beyond.

BTW the title of this board should be changed to 2018-19 GDTs.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Simply awesome...

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[herman]

Watching the Detroit feed and clearly across the line on the replay.

Here's the look azzurri63 mentioned

Courtesy of MLHS

 

[hockeyfan1]

Watching the Detroit feed and clearly across the line on the replay.

Here's the look azzurri63 mentioned

Courtesy of MLHS

Yes, it defintiely looks over the line.  The puck is standing and is over the line by a sliver but it's all in.