Leafs talking to Kiprusoff's agent
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Nik said:
I don't think there are actual rules against discussing an extension, but yeah you can't put pen to paper until July 1st (or I guess 5th this season).
Kessel Run
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Extension!?! Beyond even next year? Oh please no.
Capn_Crunch
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Kessel Run said:
Unless it is for something like he's making now or even a bit less... I would be ok with him as our backup. But i really don't want to see us tied down to a aging goalie who is over the hill but still under contract. Seems like a damned if nonis does, damned if he doesn't kinda situation. I for one will be happy if he says tomorrow we had a chance to upgrade but the price on the future was too great and so we'll go forward with what we have and retool more in the offseason when the cap comes down and some teams are having to give more for less in return.
Renaud Lavoie
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Mikka Kiprusoff is open to a trade to Toronto. Still wants adjustment on his contract for next season. #transactions2013
which they cannot do until he enters his last year of his contract July 1 or so.
Globe & Mail Duhatschek: Decision time for Kiprusoff and Leafs
Talks about what they might do with his contract ...
I'm not enthusiastic to get him at this point but there are scenarios where I wouldn't pull my hair out:
They give up a 3rd and get a roughly a 4th for Scrivens - not a lot of talent cost. If he sucks, they use their other compliance buyout (Komisarek using the other). If he's decent, they can consider a sensible, short extension after July 1.
@RenLavoieRDS
Mikka Kiprusoff is open to a trade to Toronto. Still wants adjustment on his contract for next season. #transactions2013
which they cannot do until he enters his last year of his contract July 1 or so.
Globe & Mail Duhatschek: Decision time for Kiprusoff and Leafs
Talks about what they might do with his contract ...
I'm not enthusiastic to get him at this point but there are scenarios where I wouldn't pull my hair out:
They give up a 3rd and get a roughly a 4th for Scrivens - not a lot of talent cost. If he sucks, they use their other compliance buyout (Komisarek using the other). If he's decent, they can consider a sensible, short extension after July 1.
I would be happy to see Kipper in Blue & White. We have a history of getting the best out of experienced older tenders. Belfour & Joseph gave us great keeping. If he is willing and can return to his form of last year we have a better chance of winning with a Kipper/Riemer tandem.
Chev-boyar-sky
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cw said:
cw where to you get the Scrivens for a 4th idea? I didn't see it mentioned in the article.
I may be one of the few who outside of his puckhandling skills thinks Scrivens is better than Reimer (however only marginally). Not sure I like Scrivens for a 4th just to add Kipper..
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Chev-boyar-sky said:
No Kidding would never do that deal, but you shouldn't be surprised really as our fan base doesn't have a lot of faith in Scrivens. I bet a lot of teams would love to upgrade their backup goaltending by picking up a guy with a 600k cap hit and who is signed for next year for what amounts to a nothing pick. I will be so glad when this deadline is over, talk about a slap in the face to a guy that has done everything you could have asked of him.
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leafplasma said:
Is this guy your brother or something? I mean, holy. Tyler Bozak has received 100000000x more criticism than Scrivens has. Dozens of Leafs have received more criticism than Scrivens, yet you're acting like there is some Leafs-nationwide vendetta out to get poor ol Benjamin Scrivens if people don't fall over themselves praising him.
leafplasma
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Potvin29 said:
But he is fantastic at stopping the puck for what amounts to practically a league minimum salary. I think that is a great story. He is having a great rookie season and we should all love him like a brother.
Memo to Security at the ACCscott evil
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I'm happy to stay with the existing goalies.
But assuming the Leafs want Kiprusof and they don't want his big cap hit next year ($1.5 million cash, $5.8 cap) can they do this:
Trade for him this season.
Buy out contract this summer.
Resign him at say $3 million (what ever).
Kiprusof gets $1.5 million plus 3 million so is stoked
Leafs save cap room
Is that sort of deal allowed in the new CBA?
Can Leafs have a verbal arrangement that he is either bought out if they want to go in a different direction or signed to a new contract after being bought out if they want to keep him?
SE
But assuming the Leafs want Kiprusof and they don't want his big cap hit next year ($1.5 million cash, $5.8 cap) can they do this:
Trade for him this season.
Buy out contract this summer.
Resign him at say $3 million (what ever).
Kiprusof gets $1.5 million plus 3 million so is stoked
Leafs save cap room
Is that sort of deal allowed in the new CBA?
Can Leafs have a verbal arrangement that he is either bought out if they want to go in a different direction or signed to a new contract after being bought out if they want to keep him?
SE
proteus2000
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I have no idea why the Leafs need another goalie. Reimer and Scrivens have a good relationship, support each other, and have done fine this yr. Yes Kipper WAS an elite goalie, but he doesn't seem to be quite the same goalie after his injury. He surely hasn't played better than either of our tandom.
Let's see what our guys can do, let them get more experience playing in meaningful games this yr. Not like we're going for the cup.
Let's see what our guys can do, let them get more experience playing in meaningful games this yr. Not like we're going for the cup.
Chev-boyar-sky said:
It was just me roughly ballparking what they might get for him - something less than Kiprusoff. Why? He's an undrafted backup goalie with low end pedigree who lost the starting job contest to Reimer, is a UFA after next season and his own team is looking for a better, more experienced goalie than him.
Having said that, I like don't mind him a bit. I think he'll still improve. If there's no ringer of a top 10 starter available, as it appears there is not when contracts are considered, I'm very happy to stand pat with Scrivens and see if he'll improve. But right now, I don't think they'd get a lot for him, a backup goalie, in a trade.
If the Leafs can get Kipper at a reasonable price, I think they do it.
Does anybody really think one of the best goalies in the league over the past decade is done at 36 simply because his numbers have been off for all of 18 games?
1. He's been injured.
2. His team sucks.
3. They were missing the playoffs again and going nowhere.
People thought Brodeur was on the downward slide a few years back as well, but then look at last year. It's not like these elite goalies forget how to play, they just need the right circumstances to shine.
Does anybody really think one of the best goalies in the league over the past decade is done at 36 simply because his numbers have been off for all of 18 games?
1. He's been injured.
2. His team sucks.
3. They were missing the playoffs again and going nowhere.
People thought Brodeur was on the downward slide a few years back as well, but then look at last year. It's not like these elite goalies forget how to play, they just need the right circumstances to shine.
slapshot said:
I think that's a valid question. I'd add this:
From reading/listening about it recently, Kiprusoff has apparently not been one to be very diligent with his fitness. There is a point, it was argued, that goalies like that hit a wall - that looks something like what he's done this season.
Brodeur is a good example because he was another goalie who was apparently not the hardest working goalie at his fitness during his earlier years. And when he hit that wall, he dedicated himself to fitness and rejuvenated his career.
It was speculated that the last year of Kiprusoff's deal (next season) at $1.5 mil would be a retirement year. Maybe mentally, he's already retired - more or less.
So that has to be part of the question Nonis or others interested in Kiprusoff have to ask: how committed is he to rejuvenating his play and continuing to play? And if that's the case, how much help can he be for the Leafs in this playoff run? And do they think improved fitness can recover his ability?
Redleaf
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cw said:
I'm curious cw. What do you think the best course of action is for Nonis today regarding goaltending? Go for Luongo, Kiprusoff, a cheap experienced back up, or just stand pat?
Edit- at least with Luongo you know what you're getting. The same cant really be said with Kipper.