WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Yeah, the special teams turned it around this game, good to see.
Marlies Talk 14/15 | aka What's Nylander up to?
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Frattin baffles me. He's scored a goal (not ppg - goals per game stat) in nearly 52% of his games played as a Marlie. But he can't seem to translate enough of that into the NHL.
In 2013, he was .52 ppg +6 over 25 games for the Leafs. He had come up with a pretty good attitude about 2 way play. I thought he had a decent shot.
In 2014, he only got 2 mins and 48 mins PP respectively with the Blue Jackets and Kings though 12mins/game. But didn't score much.
This season he got 11 seconds of PP time total, 7 mins per game ES on the 4th line for the Leafs. Few can do anything of substance with that - he needs someone with talent to play with.
He's close yet it looks like he's never going to be able to really make it. But doing what he does in the AHL must torment and tantalize some - it does me a little. Looks like he's following in the wake of Jeremy Williams, David Ling and Colin Murphy - AHL Leafs guys who looked decent offensively in the minors but weren't able to get over the hump to the NHL. I kind of feel for him.
In 2013, he was .52 ppg +6 over 25 games for the Leafs. He had come up with a pretty good attitude about 2 way play. I thought he had a decent shot.
In 2014, he only got 2 mins and 48 mins PP respectively with the Blue Jackets and Kings though 12mins/game. But didn't score much.
This season he got 11 seconds of PP time total, 7 mins per game ES on the 4th line for the Leafs. Few can do anything of substance with that - he needs someone with talent to play with.
He's close yet it looks like he's never going to be able to really make it. But doing what he does in the AHL must torment and tantalize some - it does me a little. Looks like he's following in the wake of Jeremy Williams, David Ling and Colin Murphy - AHL Leafs guys who looked decent offensively in the minors but weren't able to get over the hump to the NHL. I kind of feel for him.
Redleaf
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cw said:
It is baffling. He always came across, at least to me, as a guy that could elevate his game when the stakes were raised. The highlights of today's game show a determined player with an NHL skill set.
The trade to bring him back to Toronto was also a head scratcher. I think he was brought back to be a Marlie (as an option to bring up) in the same vein as Brennan being reacquired.
I'm sure there was discussion about both being options to fill spots for the rebuild, and both will probably get ice time with the leafs next season. They had better look like they belong if they do get another shot.
RedLeaf said:
Griffins were tied for 3rd best point win%, top offensive team - can't be a bad club. Marlies were good enough to do exactly what they had to do against a pretty good team who hosts the next three games (if needed).
Crowds were over 7000 for both games.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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The Marlies have found their game over the past three months, guys who where adjusting to the AHL have started to feel comfortable and they've found the right line mix too.
I think a lot of teams are going to have trouble dealing with multiple scoring lines the Marlies have now.
I think a lot of teams are going to have trouble dealing with multiple scoring lines the Marlies have now.
Patrick said:
Arguably their 5-best players right now (Froese, Frattin, Nylander, Brennan, and Lepisic) all weren't on the team to start the season. The last 3 all didn't come over until halfway through the season.
bustaheims
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cw said:
I don't think he's at all baffling. I think you nailed it when you grouped with the likes of Ling, Williams, etc. He's a guy with an NHL shot and decent speed, but, that's about it. He doesn't have the other skills necessary to be successful at the NHL level, nor does he have the hockey IQ. He scores at a good rate in the AHL because of his shot, but he doesn't produce a lot of offence on his own. Like a lot of other AHL players, he was successful early in 2013, because he was in mid-season form coming out of the lockout playing against a lot of guys who were still trying to get their legs under them. The knee injury he suffered that season didn't help, but I imagine he would have struggled to repeat that level of production regardless. He's really just another guy with one or two NHL calibre skills, but not an NHL calibre game.
bustaheims said:
Apparently so.
But there was something about him to me that was frustrating in that he was pretty close. He had a decent shot, could skate, hit a bit, ok size and had some conscience for playing defense. I thought he could be a pretty good tweener - fill in from the 3rd line when the 2nd liner went down because of his finish.
Williams was different in that he had an amazingly good shot ... and that was kind if it. It was more clear cut to me why he didn't make it. He was a one trick pony.
Murphy was kind of the opposite of Williams. He could do everything: pass, score, hit, skate ok, fight a little, play center or wing or QB the PP - didn't have Williams great shot - just on ok one. But unlike Williams one exceptional feature, his shot, Murphy didn't do any part of his game exceptionally and I guess that kept him under the radar.
As a fan, I pull a little for these guys and I guess then share a bit of the terrible disappointment they must feel for coming so close. It's got to be tough to finish not quite good enough - a little bit short that has exponential consequences financially.
Here's a gif of the Loov hit:
That was a hell of a hit. He was given 5 and a game for a check to the head. Honestly didn't seem that bad to me. The guy was skating with his head down and out. I certainly don't think that there was any targeting of the head there.
That was a hell of a hit. He was given 5 and a game for a check to the head. Honestly didn't seem that bad to me. The guy was skating with his head down and out. I certainly don't think that there was any targeting of the head there.
Highlander
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As you all know I have been a big Frattin fan, yesterday he scored two beauty goals, stood in front of their goalie on the screen constantly and knocked the hell out of one of their players. He is proving he would be a cheap alternative on Kadri's wing (at least to start next season)
Highlander
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some more on Frattin (and Gibson) who was also outstanding.
CarltonTheBear said:Here's a gif of the Loov hit:
That was a hell of a hit. He was given 5 and a game for a check to the head. Honestly didn't seem that bad to me. The guy was skating with his head down and out. I certainly don't think that there was any targeting of the head there.
That helmet flying off the player's head didn't help Loov's cause because something Loov did caused that ...
But I didn't see it clearly as targeting the guys head either. Without the benefit of slowing it down or looking at it a lot (which may change my mind), at a quick glance, it looks like Loov's shoulder hits the player in the upper chest and the players head goes bobblehead into Loov resulting in getting his helmet sent flying.
I'm not sure what else Loov could do once he'd committed to the hit and there was no way I could have predicted what followed with his helmet flying off as a likely outcome.
Highlander
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A few seasons ago Frattin was leading the Leafs in scoring for something like the first 10-15 games of the season, hitting everything that moved and then suffered a knee injury which for some reason affected his overall Mojo.
Seems to have found it again. There is no reason to think he cannot come back and play as before, as he is clearly over everyone elses head in the AHL, based upon what we have seen this season and especially in the last 2 games.
Seems to have found it again. There is no reason to think he cannot come back and play as before, as he is clearly over everyone elses head in the AHL, based upon what we have seen this season and especially in the last 2 games.
Nik the Trik said:
From the NHL rulebook:
48.1 Illegal Check to the Head ? A hit resulting in contact with an
opponent?s head where the head was the main point of contact and
such contact to the head was avoidable is not permitted.
In determining whether contact with an opponent's head was
avoidable, the circumstances of the hit including the following shall be
considered:
(i) Whether the player attempted to hit squarely through the
opponent?s body and the head was not "picked" as a result of poor
timing, poor angle of approach, or unnecessary extension of the
body upward or outward.
(ii) Whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position by
assuming a posture that made head contact on an otherwise full
body check unavoidable.
(iii) Whether the opponent materially changed the position of his body
assessed.
48.2 Minor Penalty ? For violation of this rule, a minor penalty shall be
or head immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit in a way
that significantly contributed to the head contact.
48.3 Major Penalty ? There is no provision for a major penalty for this rule.
48.4 Game Misconduct Penalty ? There is no provision for a game
misconduct for this rule.
48.5 Match Penalty ? The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a match
penalty if, in his judgment, the player attempted to or deliberately
injured his opponent with an illegal check to the head.
If deemed appropriate, supplementary discipline can be applied by
the Commissioner at his discretion.
The rule originally had the word "targeted" in it but it was deemed too difficult to determine so they changed the language a little bit. I'd say that 48.1 (ii) should have definitely been applied in this case, and that that 5 and a game was likely a result of the guys helmet flying off. But oh well, I'd say at least it's pretty unlikely Loov faces a suspension for this.
Kin
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But is the rule the same in the AHL as in the NHL? I only ask because I know the AHL has some trial rules and, as a developmental league, it would make a degree of sense to be even more cautious about hits to the head. The hit strikes me as "avoidable" in the strictest sense of the word but I agree that it's not egregious or anything.
GhostofPotvin29
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I think that is actually the AHL rule.
Potvin29 said:
I originally took it from the NHL rulebook, but yeah I just checked and it's the exact same thing in the AHL one.