Matthews placed on IR

[Frank E]

Well, damn it.

Nice clean hit by Trouba, so nothing to complain about there.

If Dubas had simply acquired Trouba this past summer this would never have happened, so I feel like Dubas has to take some blame here.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Not to worry, this year they have Tavares.  (No, it doesn't stop there.)

Last season:

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[Guilt Trip]

I hate to say it but due to his injury history to date maybe this saves us substantially on a Matthews extension. If he scored 40-45-50 he would be a lot more entitled. No doubt he's getting paid but maybe less now.

This injury will have nothing to do with his contract. You think the Leafs are going to say well, you might get hurt so we're going to offer only this. Not happening. He's getting paid regardless.

 

[cabber24]

I hate to say it but due to his injury history to date maybe this saves us substantially on a Matthews extension. If he scored 40-45-50 he would be a lot more entitled. No doubt he's getting paid but maybe less now.

This injury will have nothing to do with his contract. You think the Leafs are going to say well, you might get hurt so we're going to offer only this. Not happening. He's getting paid regardless.

You don't think if scored 50 or won the Heart trophy it would make a difference? I do.

 

[Zee]

I hate to say it but due to his injury history to date maybe this saves us substantially on a Matthews extension. If he scored 40-45-50 he would be a lot more entitled. No doubt he's getting paid but maybe less now.

I don't think the Leafs would dick around with the Matthews deal because of the injury. He's the golden goose and will get paid accordingly

 

[Phileas Fogg]

You don't think if scored 50 or won the Heart trophy it would make a difference? I do.

I tend to agree, it would be nice in negotiations when you can throw that in instead of "hey, look at my PPG while I wasn't injured".

But ultimately, I don't think it'll make a great deal of difference. If he wants McDavid money, he'll get it.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I hate to say it but due to his injury history to date maybe this saves us substantially on a Matthews extension. If he scored 40-45-50 he would be a lot more entitled. No doubt he's getting paid but maybe less now.

This injury will have nothing to do with his contract. You think the Leafs are going to say well, you might get hurt so we're going to offer only this. Not happening. He's getting paid regardless.

You don't think if scored 50 or won the Heart trophy it would make a difference? I do.

I'm responding to the injury history remark. His injury history will have nothing to do with his next contract value. Winning the Hart and scoring 50, big IFs, is a different matter but still will have little effect. He's getting paid basically what he wants.

 

[princedpw]

one way negotiations could be affected is that if I were Matthews, I would prefer the security of an 8-year deal over a 5-year one.

 

[sickbeast]

You don't think if scored 50 or won the Heart trophy it would make a difference? I do.

I tend to agree, it would be nice in negotiations when you can throw that in instead of "hey, look at my PPG while I wasn't injured".

But ultimately, I don't think it'll make a great deal of difference. If he wants McDavid money, he'll get it.

I think it depends on how well Matthews recovers and comes back from this.  He could start getting the reputation of being injury prone.  And that would absolutely lower his value in terms of a contract.  The team will know this via their medical people.  For this to have happened to Matthews already three times at such a young age tells me that he is somehow physically prone to these types of injuries.

 

[Zee]

You don't think if scored 50 or won the Heart trophy it would make a difference? I do.

I tend to agree, it would be nice in negotiations when you can throw that in instead of "hey, look at my PPG while I wasn't injured".

But ultimately, I don't think it'll make a great deal of difference. If he wants McDavid money, he'll get it.

I think it depends on how well Matthews recovers and comes back from this.  He could start getting the reputation of being injury prone.  And that would absolutely lower his value in terms of a contract.  The team will know this via their medical people. For this to have happened to Matthews already three times at such a young age tells me that he is somehow physically prone to these types of injuries.

Is this your official medical opinion Dr. Sickbeast?

He's had a concussion and 2 (different shoulder) injuries.  I'd say both were a result of bad luck about how he got hit while it the process of shooting and doesn't necessarily mean he's more prone to these injuries than anyone else.  Maybe he puts himself into situations where he can get hit more often as opposed to a more perimeter player so the more he's hit the higher chance of something happening.  That said, there's no surgery required, and he's 21, I'm sure he can recover fully and carry on.

 

[Bates]

Is that your medical opinion?? LOL

You don't think if scored 50 or won the Heart trophy it would make a difference? I do.

I tend to agree, it would be nice in negotiations when you can throw that in instead of "hey, look at my PPG while I wasn't injured".

But ultimately, I don't think it'll make a great deal of difference. If he wants McDavid money, he'll get it.

I think it depends on how well Matthews recovers and comes back from this.  He could start getting the reputation of being injury prone.  And that would absolutely lower his value in terms of a contract.  The team will know this via their medical people. For this to have happened to Matthews already three times at such a young age tells me that he is somehow physically prone to these types of injuries.

Is this your official medical opinion Dr. Sickbeast?

He's had a concussion and 2 (different shoulder) injuries.  I'd say both were a result of bad luck about how he got hit while it the process of shooting and doesn't necessarily mean he's more prone to these injuries than anyone else.  Maybe he puts himself into situations where he can get hit more often as opposed to a more perimeter player so the more he's hit the higher chance of something happening.  That said, there's no surgery required, and he's 21, I'm sure he can recover fully and carry on.

 

[ZBBM]

It's not just that he puts himself into areas of the ice where he's more likely to get hit (there's a reason Kessel hasn't been hurt in umpteen years), it's also that his forte (which is almost unequaled) is quick cuts and stick handling in close quarters to get off his deadly covert shot.  I think that style of play makes him prone to unexpectedly getting hit, which is the common denominator among his 2 shoulder injuries and the concussion.  He may need to sacrifice trying to do that all the time and develop other areas offensively to compensate.

 

[princedpw]

You don't think if scored 50 or won the Heart trophy it would make a difference? I do.

I tend to agree, it would be nice in negotiations when you can throw that in instead of "hey, look at my PPG while I wasn't injured".

But ultimately, I don't think it'll make a great deal of difference. If he wants McDavid money, he'll get it.

I think it depends on how well Matthews recovers and comes back from this.  He could start getting the reputation of being injury prone.  And that would absolutely lower his value in terms of a contract.  The team will know this via their medical people. For this to have happened to Matthews already three times at such a young age tells me that he is somehow physically prone to these types of injuries.

Is this your official medical opinion Dr. Sickbeast?

He's had a concussion and 2 (different shoulder) injuries.  I'd say both were a result of bad luck about how he got hit while it the process of shooting and doesn't necessarily mean he's more prone to these injuries than anyone else.  Maybe he puts himself into situations where he can get hit more often as opposed to a more perimeter player so the more he's hit the higher chance of something happening.  That said, there's no surgery required, and he's 21, I'm sure he can recover fully and carry on.

I?m no doctor either but I heard that having shoulder injuries does indeed weaken them (it might have been mentioned in an article in the athletic). One can try to build muscle around the area to protect the shoulder in the future as Matthews apparently tried to do this summer.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Should have worked on both shoulders instead of going the Quagmire route:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZHBUMldzpc

 

[Highlander]

Bourne has an excellent article on Matthews shoulder with a respected surgeon to quote.  Seems he will heal quickly, no labrum tear and this is not something that makes him more prone to repeat injury's.  Perhaps his work to strengthen his shoulders this off season help negate the impact of the hit.
He was spotted last night dressed in a green suite at the rink with no sling, seemed comfortable.

 

[Guilt Trip]

  I think that style of play makes him prone to unexpectedly getting hit, which is the common denominator among his 2 shoulder injuries and the concussion. 

If memory serves, Reilly hit him and gave him his concussion so I guess you're right. Don't expect to get hit by your own teammate.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Paging Dr. LK, paging Dr. LK. 

 

[Zee]

Is that your medical opinion?? LOL

You don't think if scored 50 or won the Heart trophy it would make a difference? I do.

I tend to agree, it would be nice in negotiations when you can throw that in instead of "hey, look at my PPG while I wasn't injured".

But ultimately, I don't think it'll make a great deal of difference. If he wants McDavid money, he'll get it.

I think it depends on how well Matthews recovers and comes back from this.  He could start getting the reputation of being injury prone.  And that would absolutely lower his value in terms of a contract.  The team will know this via their medical people. For this to have happened to Matthews already three times at such a young age tells me that he is somehow physically prone to these types of injuries.

Is this your official medical opinion Dr. Sickbeast?

He's had a concussion and 2 (different shoulder) injuries.  I'd say both were a result of bad luck about how he got hit while it the process of shooting and doesn't necessarily mean he's more prone to these injuries than anyone else.  Maybe he puts himself into situations where he can get hit more often as opposed to a more perimeter player so the more he's hit the higher chance of something happening.  That said, there's no surgery required, and he's 21, I'm sure he can recover fully and carry on.

You don't need a medical opinion to see that getting body checked more often during a game could give you a higher potential of getting injured.  It doesn't necessarily mean you're more prone to injuries.

 

[herman]

You don't need a medical opinion to see that getting body checked more often during a game could give you a higher potential of getting injured.  It doesn't necessarily mean you're more prone to injuries.

Hey, this is just like Corsi. If you have more attempts at the net, you're likely to have more shots on goal (and by proxy, have the puck more often). The probability of a result is a function of propensity and opportunity. Seeing as how Matthews is going to have the puck a lot, the probability of impact injury is going to be there regardless of his propensity simply due to the increased opportunity, as Zee points out.

Edit: I want another P word for opportunity.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Is that your medical opinion?? LOL

You don't think if scored 50 or won the Heart trophy it would make a difference? I do.

I tend to agree, it would be nice in negotiations when you can throw that in instead of "hey, look at my PPG while I wasn't injured".

But ultimately, I don't think it'll make a great deal of difference. If he wants McDavid money, he'll get it.

I think it depends on how well Matthews recovers and comes back from this.  He could start getting the reputation of being injury prone.  And that would absolutely lower his value in terms of a contract.  The team will know this via their medical people. For this to have happened to Matthews already three times at such a young age tells me that he is somehow physically prone to these types of injuries.

Is this your official medical opinion Dr. Sickbeast?

He's had a concussion and 2 (different shoulder) injuries.  I'd say both were a result of bad luck about how he got hit while it the process of shooting and doesn't necessarily mean he's more prone to these injuries than anyone else.  Maybe he puts himself into situations where he can get hit more often as opposed to a more perimeter player so the more he's hit the higher chance of something happening.  That said, there's no surgery required, and he's 21, I'm sure he can recover fully and carry on.

You don't need a medical opinion to see that getting body checked more often during a game could give you a higher potential of getting injured.  It doesn't necessarily mean you're more prone to injuries.

Isn't having the higher potential of injury exactly what the word prone means?

Prone
/prōn/Submit
adjective
1.
likely to or liable to suffer from, do, or experience something, typically something regrettable or unwelcome.