Matthews signs 5 year contract, $11.634mil AAV

[Fanatic]

I always go back to Dubas' words when he signed Tavares as far as keeping the team intact the big 3 would have to take a team discount.
Guess what that didn't happen.

Please provide that quote. Or, I can save you some trouble and not have you look, because he never said it. In fact, he never said anything like that at all.

 

[Peter D.]

The basis was he'd argue that much on what term contract?

8 years. So the context there was that Matthews might want 13 on a long term deal(McKenzie's saying it was 13.5 or higher) but would get less on a shorter term deal. Which, as far as I can see, is what happened.

I'd easily have offered $1.5 more a season to lock in Matthews for another 3 years, even if it meant I'd think that's worth than what he's "worth".

 

[Zee]

The basis was he'd argue that much on what term contract?

8 years. So the context there was that Matthews might want 13 on a long term deal(McKenzie's saying it was 13.5 or higher) but would get less on a shorter term deal. Which, as far as I can see, is what happened.

I'd easily have offered $1.5 more a season to lock in Matthews for another 3 years, even if it meant I'd think that's worth than what he's "worth".

Eh whatever, if the Leafs can win even 1 Cup in the next 5 years it'll all be worth it.

 

[Kin]

In the offseason, I thought Willy at $6.5m, Marner at $7.5m, and Matthews at $10.5m.

I think the explanation for the difference there and what it's going to end up being boils down to three things:

1. We misread the market, either as a product of wishful thinking or whatever.

2. We misread Marner and what he might think of himself.

3. We didn't see the scoring rate increase and what that might do to demands.

I don't buy that "Failing" to get it done in the summer mattered or, at the very least, that Dubas could have "succeeded" there unilaterally. Not getting it done in the summer at the prices we wanted is an indication that we were wrong about the market, not that Dubas did his job badly.

 

[azzurri63]

Who gives a sh*t what Nylander was asking?

Believe it or not but the people who actually have to do the negotiating have to care about what people are asking for. I'm sure it's easy to take a very tough negotiating stance while sitting on your couch but it doesn't actually bear any reflection on the negotiations that took place.

So rumors had it Leafs were offering under 6 one report I heard said 5.
All I can say and others have said the same thing on other sites. Nylander would have signed for the 6.9 back before the season started.
So you can say he got what he wanted.
No one predicted him signing for just under 7 so say and believe what you want he got what he wanted.
Sweet signing bonus, compensated for missing the first 2 months and f'd up the chemistry of the team since his return.
Should of taken a harder stance on him. Traded him or let him sit. No one is bigger than the team and again in my opinion bumped up Matthews and Marner's contracts.

 

[Highlander]

5 years doesn't bother me in the slightest bit. Anybody worrying that this means he's going to bolt once he hits UFA status needs to take a chill pill. I've said this before but 5 years is an incredibly common term for superstar players to take after their ELCs. Kane, Toews, Malkin, Benn, Crosby, Stamkos, Getzlaf, and Perry all went that route and they all re-signed with their teams. As long as the Leafs are still competitive after the contract, there's literally zero reason to think that he'll bolt.

If that cap hit is accurate, well it's slightly more than I would have liked at 5 years but at the end of the day Matthews is a top-10 player in the league and rules about RFA discounts or buying UFA years don't really apply to him. He gets what he deserves regardless of those things.

I agree with CTB, and I think it is a good deal, guarantees that Mitch won't see over 9 or 9.5.    However if we win two Cups in the next 5 years, we could trade Auston to AZ for a Kings ransom. Just saying.
Also less years means less exposure if indeed he was injured (a la Horton or Savard).

How do you guarantee Marner won't see over 9 or 9.5?  On what term?  You think Paul Marner is going to want anything under 10?

Wingers don't get what Centres of Matthews calibre get, doesn't happen.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/mapleleafs/status/1092885739656933377

Moustache socks  ;D

 

[Kin]

I'd easily have offered $1.5 more a season to lock in Matthews for another 3 years, even if it meant I'd think that's worth than what he's "worth".

I could be wrong but I'm seeing at least a 2 million(or 1.9) gap between the reported long term cost and what he eventually signed for but, regardless, I'm just not sure I agree. I think I'd rather have the cap flexibility now that the extra money affords than I would three far-flung years of control. I'm not worried about the Leafs being unable to sign Matthews down the road.

 

[Highlander]

Why are we rehashing Nylander, it's done! Now Matthews is worry free for 5 years. Hell Trump might blow us all up in 2, why worry? I just believe it will keep Mitch under 10 per year.

 

[Bullfrog]

So rumors had it Leafs were offering under 6 one report I heard said 5.
All I can say and others have said the same thing on other sites. Nylander would have signed for the 6.9 back before the season started.
So you can say he got what he wanted.
No one predicted him signing for just under 7 so say and believe what you want he got what he wanted.
Sweet signing bonus, compensated for missing the first 2 months and f'd up the chemistry of the team since his return.
Should of taken a harder stance on him. Traded him or let him sit. No one is bigger than the team and again in my opinion bumped up Matthews and Marner's contracts.

Ya, that's just not true. Some predicted him going over $7M

 

[Kin]

So rumors had it Leafs were offering under 6 one report I heard said 5.

Wow, so you're basing your opinion on "rumours" you think you heard somewhere? My mistake then. I really should consider this a very serious and well thought out position.

 

[Peter D.]

I could be wrong but I'm seeing at least a 2 million(or 1.9) gap between the reported long term cost and what he eventually signed for but, regardless, I'm just not sure I agree. I think I'd rather have the cap flexibility now that the extra money affords than I would three far-flung years of control. I'm not worried about the Leafs being unable to sign Matthews down the road.

You said 13 million.  McKenzie said $13.5.  Even then, I'm not going to quibble over $400K over an extra three years.

Give me three extra years of Matthews locked, sealed and delivered.  But that's just me. 

I'll also point out that even if he got the $13 million over 8 years, I wouldn't be happy with it.  All along I hoped for nothing more than $11.5 over 8.  12 tops.

 

[Zee]

Nylander and Matthews are both UFAs the same season, let's see if they can avoid adding Marner to that list.

 

[disco]

Leafs had to kinda be first on this. Other teams are looking and saying hey, we gotta get these guys (ELC stars) done as soon as possible. But a lot of them are choosing to wait. We're seeing the leverage swing from the team to the player on their drafted stars.

 

[Kin]

You said 13 million. McKenzie said $13.5.

I said 13 million during the summer before Matthews was on a 50 goal/100 point pace. And what McKenzie said was that a 8 year deal would have come in at 13.5 or more.

 

[L K]

They would have saved some cash and allowed to keep more of the team intact. Nylander signing was a joke. Kid sat 2 months and still got what he wanted.

Throughout the entire Nylander process it was "Nylander wants 8+ million" then he signs for under 7 and it's "Nylander just got what he wanted".

Just saying "I would have done it better" isn't an argument, especially when it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about.

Whatever you think.
Who gives a sh*t what Nylander was asking? Are you an idiot?
Of course he's going to start high. He knew he would never have gotten that. So if he asks for 9 do you give him 8?
Wow good thing you're not running the team.
Everyone figured he should have gotten less than Pasternak and rightfully so. I understand the cap is going up but I wouldn't have caved to him.
Instead he got more and hopefully he proves me wrong but as of now not the same goal scorer as Pasternak.

I always go back to Dubas' words when he signed Tavares as far as keeping the team intact the big 3 would have to take a team discount.
Guess what that didn't happen.

Calm down....

 

[Peter D.]

I said 13 million during the summer before Matthews was on a 50 goal/100 point pace. And what McKenzie said was that a 8 year deal would have come in at 13.5 or more.

That's nice.

I still would have thought it was an overpayment.

 

[Kin]

That's nice.

I still would have thought it was an overpayment.

I'm in no way trying to tell you how you may have felt about various hypothetical deals, just being clear about stuff people actually said.

 

[TML fan]

I don't understand. What's the worry here? That Matthews will just walk away when this deal expires?

 

[Deebo]

I don't understand. What's the worry here? That Matthews will just walk away when this deal expires?

Gotta find something to worry about.