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Mitch Marner: what now?

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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Guilt Trip said:
And we'll take the 4 1sts thank you very much but we all know, no one is giving up 4 1sts for him. Point and Rantanen have a better chance of that happening and they're not getting it either. Picks are way too important.
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They're not even just important in terms of keeping your prospect pool alive, but it eliminates potential trade chips for deadline day (or any time of the year) acquisitions. The acquiring team can't deal 1sts anymore to shore up a potential weakness heading into the playoffs, and they probably won't want to deal a lot of their future 2nd rounders either knowing all their 1sts are already gone. That really puts a Cup-chasing team at a disadvantage.
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And you know what?  Bottom line is, Marner is not *that* good anyhow.
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Not 4 1sts good.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I don't really recall Matthews or Nylander's agents ever going this route, at least not to this extent. And they both still got fair deals for their clients.
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Well, with Matthews the Leafs seem to have taken the bold negotiating stance of "Give him whatever he wants" and while we can argue about the extent to which Nylander's camp was roundly criticized for how they negotiated at the time, I'm still not sure I'd be too quick to judge Marner's camp for not wanting to follow the "Have a terrible season and make most of the fanbase hate you" model.
 
Nik the Trik said:
CarltonTheBear said:
I don't really recall Matthews or Nylander's agents ever going this route, at least not to this extent. And they both still got fair deals for their clients.
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Well, with Matthews the Leafs seem to have taken the bold negotiating stance of "Give him whatever he wants" and while we can argue about the extent to which Nylander's camp was roundly criticized for how they negotiated at the time, I'm still not sure I'd be too quick to judge Marner's camp for not wanting to follow the "Have a terrible season and make most of the fanbase hate you" model.
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Do you think the agent's objective in working the press--pushing a higher number--is to get a "fair value" resolution faster? I hadn't considered how the press leaks could affect the timing of when a deal gets done, and, at first blush, I can't quite see how saying "he wants a Matthews-esque deal" gets a Nylander-esque deal (i.e. a cap hit we all sort of expect) done in June.
 
mr grieves said:
Do you think the agent's objective in working the press--pushing a higher number--is to get a "fair value" resolution faster? I hadn't considered how the press leaks could affect the timing of when a deal gets done, and, at first blush, I can't quite see how saying "he wants a Matthews-esque deal" gets a Nylander-esque deal (i.e. a cap hit we all sort of expect) done in June.
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No, I think the objective is getting Marner the kind of deal he wants within the time frame he wants. I have no idea to what extent Marner is really open to playing elsewhere or what sort of money he's willing to accept(regardless of how it fits into our definition of fair or expected) but either way I at least see the angle in trying to create public pressure to sign the very popular hometown guy.
 
As long as we're all speculating, I think Dubas really wants to avoid another Nylander thing...I'm going to say $8.75m X 6, and done before July 1.
 
Frank E said:
As long as we're all speculating, I think Dubas really wants to avoid another Nylander thing...I'm going to say $8.75m X 6, and done before July 1.
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Dubas would sign that today without even negotiating.
 
Frank E said:
As long as we're all speculating, I think Dubas really wants to avoid another Nylander thing...I'm going to say $8.75m X 6, and done before July 1.
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Going by the Dubas school of negotiations I doubt it gets done for anything less than $9.5m/year.
 
Dreger was on Overdrive last night, he said he doesn't beat the Marner camp drum like people say he does.  ;D
 
I wouldn't really be surprised if we ended up seeing a 3-year bridge deal at a number higher than we expect bridge deals to be. Something like $8mil. I'm not even sure I'd really be too upset at that. Gives us a tiny bit more flexibility in this coming season to help us keep Kappy/Johnsson. If Marner proves that he deserves a top-5 AAV in the league after that then I'd happily give it to him.
 
What are Mitch Marner?s comparables?  (Early) Patrick Kane & (Most current) Mikko Rantanen.

Here?s a look:

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Mikko Rantanen is a current comparable, and in the writer?s own words he has ?outproduced? Marner, even though Marner has outscored him in that same span.

Depending on who signs (whom) first, no doubt the Marner camp will be looking towards what these wingers may be in the market for and want a similar deal.

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https://theathletic.com/988241/2019/05/22/tulloch-a-breakdown-of-what-mitch-marner-should-earn-on-his-next-contract-based-on-comparables/
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I wouldn't really be surprised if we ended up seeing a 3-year bridge deal at a number higher than we expect bridge deals to be. Something like $8mil. I'm not even sure I'd really be too upset at that. Gives us a tiny bit more flexibility in this coming season to help us keep Kappy/Johnsson. If Marner proves that he deserves a top-5 AAV in the league after that then I'd happily give it to him.
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I'd have no problem with that either.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I wouldn't really be surprised if we ended up seeing a 3-year bridge deal at a number higher than we expect bridge deals to be. Something like $8mil. I'm not even sure I'd really be too upset at that. Gives us a tiny bit more flexibility in this coming season to help us keep Kappy/Johnsson. If Marner proves that he deserves a top-5 AAV in the league after that then I'd happily give it to him.
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That would be fine.  Any number that is 9.5 or less can work with the team.  If it's only 3 years so be it, when his next contract is due the cap is higher and we no longer have Marleau (and maybe Zaitsev) which accounts for over $10 with those 2
 
https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1134204001539559432

Now that Dubas owns Ferris signing Marner should be pretty easy.
 
So what are we saving cap wise if Zaitzev, Gardiner, Brown and Hainsey are not resigned or traded?  10-12 million?  If Dubas can do this it would be great, if he can move Marleau as well then he gets walking on water status. (even if it is frozen).
 
Highlander said:
So what are we saving cap wise if Zaitzev, Gardiner, Brown and Hainsey are not resigned or traded?  10-12 million?  If Dubas can do this it would be great, if he can move Marleau as well then he gets walking on water status. (even if it is frozen).
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6.6 mill. Gardiner and Hainsey dont count as they're off tge books already.
 
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