• For users coming over from tmlfans.ca your username will remain the same but you will need to use the password reset feature (check your spam folder) on the login page in order to set your password. If you encounter issues, email Rick couchmanrick@gmail.com

Mitch Marner: what now?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Frank E said:
But really, this is just some fans making a villain out of a parent because Marner hasn't signed for some stupid low number. 
Click to expand...

Exactly. Getting advice from a parent on an important life decision is something any of us would think is sensible. What filters down into the media is the idea of Paul Marner or Michael Nylander as some devious puppet-master secretly in charge of negotiations so that twitter-obsessed fans can have someone to hate that isn't the player they hope to be cheering for in a few months. If it wasn't parents, it would be the evil agents and how they're corrupting their players. It's just boilerplate garbage.

And it's not new. Remember how villainized Eric Lindros' parents were for...being concerned their son was being rushed back from a concussion? What a bunch of crybabies, am I rite?
 
Nik the Trik said:
Frank E said:
But really, this is just some fans making a villain out of a parent because Marner hasn't signed for some stupid low number. 
Click to expand...

Exactly. Getting advice from a parent on an important life decision is something any of us would think is sensible. What filters down into the media is the idea of Paul Marner or Michael Nylander as some devious puppet-master secretly in charge of negotiations so that twitter-obsessed fans can have someone to hate that isn't the player they hope to be cheering for in a few months. If it wasn't parents, it would be the evil agents and how they're corrupting their players. It's just boilerplate garbage.

And it's not new. Remember how villainized Eric Lindros' parents were for...being concerned their son was being rushed back from a concussion? What a bunch of crybabies, am I rite?
Click to expand...
So right Quickstraw!
 
Frank E said:
It was boring to read last fall with the Nylander negotiation, and it's boring with Marner's.
Click to expand...

Yeah, wasn't there a similar rumor last year that Michael Nylander was too involved in William's negotiations, and that's what was holding it up?  It's almost the exact same thing this time around.

I do find all the Paul/Dreger stuff funny, but not really accurate.  If Dreger is getting any leaks from anywhere, I'm sure it's from Ferris; not Paul Marner.
 
louisstamos said:
I do find all the Paul/Dreger stuff funny, but not really accurate.  If Dreger is getting any leaks from anywhere, I'm sure it's from Ferris; not Paul Marner.
Click to expand...
I don't think most care either way. I think they just love giving Dreger the gears calling him Paul after some of his inside info.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Exactly. Getting advice from a parent on an important life decision is something any of us would think is sensible.
Click to expand...

Heck, I'm 42 and I still call my parents for advice when I have a big financial decision to make. I'm uncertain if they're talking to Dreger or not though.
 
If it WAS just Willy listening to his agent and only him, guess who it was that picked up the phone and called Kyle with 40 minutes remaining in his season? It was Willy himself. A good agent can't just about the money, but will take into account EVERYTHING that the player values, from the highest priority to the lowest. Will it be Mitch himself picking up the phone on the first day of camp? We shall see...
 
disco said:
If it WAS just Willy listening to his agent and only him, guess who it was that picked up the phone and called Kyle with 40 minutes remaining in his season? It was Willy himself. A good agent can't just about the money, but will take into account EVERYTHING that the player values, from the highest priority to the lowest. Will it be Mitch himself picking up the phone on the first day of camp? We shall see...
Click to expand...


More likely he'll fire off a Tik Tok video clip to Dubas
 
Zee said:
disco said:
If it WAS just Willy listening to his agent and only him, guess who it was that picked up the phone and called Kyle with 40 minutes remaining in his season? It was Willy himself. A good agent can't just about the money, but will take into account EVERYTHING that the player values, from the highest priority to the lowest. Will it be Mitch himself picking up the phone on the first day of camp? We shall see...
Click to expand...


More likely he'll fire off a Tik Tok video clip to Dubas
Click to expand...

What are Tik Toks and why are they becoming popular? I've only heard of them through Tom Segura.
 
Bender said:
Zee said:
disco said:
If it WAS just Willy listening to his agent and only him, guess who it was that picked up the phone and called Kyle with 40 minutes remaining in his season? It was Willy himself. A good agent can't just about the money, but will take into account EVERYTHING that the player values, from the highest priority to the lowest. Will it be Mitch himself picking up the phone on the first day of camp? We shall see...
Click to expand...


More likely he'll fire off a Tik Tok video clip to Dubas
Click to expand...

What are Tik Toks and why are they becoming popular? I've only heard of them through Tom Segura.
Click to expand...

My kids think it's the greatest thing ever invented.
 
A tidbit:

https://ca.yahoo.com/sports/news/marners-camp-reportedly-asking-for-richest-bridge-deal-in-nhl-history-181930810.html

There has been talk for ages now about the Leafs? making a max-term offer, some time ago, at eight years and more than $10-million a season. Giving away that many UFA years, however, was a no-go for the Marner camp.

They apparently countered with three years at around a $10-million annual value, which would be the richest bridge deal in NHL history ? by quite a bit. (Consider that Nikita Kucherov?s three-year bridge back in 2016 was for just under $4.8-million AAV.)
Click to expand...
 
If that report is true it's not that outlandish a notion. Kucherov's bridge deal would be for about 5.3 in today's cap. Marner outscored Kucherov by roughly 50% over the course of their first three seasons and in the season immediately preceding their second deals Marner again outscored Kucherov by roughly 50% with less PP time and doing PK time.

I don't know if all that doubles Kucherov's deal but using it as a yard stick indicates at least between 8-9 million or so on a bridge.
 
I think Marner is foolish to turn down a decent max term offer.  He's a small player.  All it takes is one big hit and his career could be over.  He gets to see his family more by playing in Toronto.  How much is that worth?  And can you really put a price on it?
 
I thought the 3x$10mil offer was something that Burke spit out awhile ago but was refuted afterward? I have a hard time believing the Leafs would offer that, or that Marner wouldn't accept it.

edit: Nevermind, I re-read and that was the offer Marner's camp made.
 
Highlander said:
What was the gist of what Cox was saying in the Star today about not signing Marner, Star wouldn't let me read the story.
Click to expand...

It really comes down to this premise:
So once again, the NHL is back in the business of paying players who have accomplished less in their careers more money than experienced players who have won multiple Stanley Cups and major awards.
Click to expand...

A certain segment of the fanbase (and league) believes in paying players for what they've already achieved, as opposed to paying out what the projected performance of the player will be over the duration of the contract.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

About Us

This website is NOT associated with the Toronto Maple Leafs or the NHL.


It is operated by Rick Couchman and Jeff Lewis.
Back
Top