Official Armchair GM Thread 2015-2016
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Nik the Trik said:
Sure, I meant, but didn't really clarify, that he'd probably be attractive to a team that isn't planning on spending to the cap. Which yeah does limit your options though.
Tigger said:
Ah, yeah. Frank's chart had him expiring after 16/17. Thought that felt wrong.
Way to go Frank!
Britishbulldog
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Is there a thread here discussing the Leafs trade bait and potential values? I read a few pages on this thread and didn't see any discussion but I might be simply missing it.
bustaheims
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Britishbulldog said:
Still a little early for any serious discussions about that right now. We don't really have an idea of what the market is like or all the other teams that will be looking to move players. As we get closer to February, that discussion will be in full swing, but, right now . . . it's really more of a "well, these guys are probably going to be traded" type discussion. I'd say give it a couple weeks.
herman
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Let me throw this out there anyway.
NHL Tradebait (by my categorization)
Obvious Bait/All your picks are belong to us:
Boyes (3rd), Spaling (3rd), Polak (3rd/4th), Matthias (4th), Parenteau (2nd), Reimer (1st/2nd), Grabner (3rd), Arcobello (3rd/4th)
Really, really want to trade them, but probably cannot at this deadline:
Phaneuf, Robidas, Horton, Lupul, Bernier
Probably would not trade at this deadline unless there is a compelling offer:
JvR*, Kadri*, Gardiner*, Winnik, Holland, Komarov, Bozak, Hunwick, Froese, Marincin, Corrado
Knock my socks off completely: Rielly
* Primo bait
NHL Tradebait (by my categorization)
Obvious Bait/All your picks are belong to us:
Boyes (3rd), Spaling (3rd), Polak (3rd/4th), Matthias (4th), Parenteau (2nd), Reimer (1st/2nd), Grabner (3rd), Arcobello (3rd/4th)
Really, really want to trade them, but probably cannot at this deadline:
Phaneuf, Robidas, Horton, Lupul, Bernier
Probably would not trade at this deadline unless there is a compelling offer:
JvR*, Kadri*, Gardiner*, Winnik, Holland, Komarov, Bozak, Hunwick, Froese, Marincin, Corrado
Knock my socks off completely: Rielly
* Primo bait
Kin
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herman said:
To me this is the most interesting group because the question on them shouldn't so much be whether or not you should trade them absent a compelling offer but rather whether or not you should be out there shopping them to try and make that compelling offer happen.
Guys like Holland, Gardiner, JVR, Kadri and Marincin, probably not as I don't know if there's any urgency there. Winnik, Komarov, Bozak and Hunwick, though, I think the question there should be whether or not their value is ever likely to be higher.
I don't know what offer could be made for Froese that wouldn't be compelling though.
herman
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Great point about shopping to generate the compelling offer. Definitely shop Bozak, Komarov, Hunwick, Winnik for 2nd Rd + action. Bozak's contract makes it a bit more difficult, but he appears to be peaking and his skillset is valuable on a contender.Nik the Trik said:
I think there should be urgency for JvR to be traded as well. His NMC kicks in next season, and he is on a great cap contract for 2 more years. Moving him will also help smother what tiny ember of playoff chance we currently have, and boost our chances at a higher 2016 slot.
You're right, Froese should be moved for just about anything north of a 4th rder.
I'd trade Froese for a 6th rounder. Maybe even a high 7th!
Kin
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herman said:
I suppose I'd weigh that against him being a good enough player but with a sizable(yet reasonable) cap hit who very well might fetch more in the off-season when teams have a few more dollars to spend(and know the value of their picks). JVR is someone who I really do think could fetch a pick in the top half of the first round or equivalent prospect and those deals don't get done too often at the deadline.
herman said:
To me it's more about asking yourself "Do you care if Froese is on the team". He seems pretty replaceable. To that end I don't know what holding out for a 4th or 5th vs. a 6th or 7th would really accomplish.
bustaheims
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Nik the Trik said:
I'm inclined to agree. Outside of getting a deal done with TBay with Drouin as the centrepiece, the urgency to trade JvR isn't at the deadline, but before the draft. I think he probably should be moved before next season - mostly because his value is likely going to drop from there as his current contract expires, and because his future contract is going to be in the $7.5M-$9M range (using Bobby Ryan as a comparable and accounting for inflation/increases in the cap), which probably prices him out of the Leafs holding on to him.
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Fun fact: I honestly have no idea what his number is. I think he's the only player on the team I don't know.
bustaheims
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CarltonTheBear said:
He wears the number that shall not be named. Therefore, I dislike him.
bustaheims
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herman said:
Probably a little high on Boyes, Spaling and Arcobello. I doubt there's more than a 4th coming back on the first two, and probably no more than a 6th on Arcobello. A little low on Polak, I think (hope). He can probably fetch a 2nd + a late round pick (based on past trade deadlines, at least).
As for Robidas and Horton - it's in the Leafs' best interests not to move them at the deadline. They can use their entire cap hits as "extra" cap space as long as they're on the roster. Once they're gone, they can't. Being able to absorb contracts to help get deals done works it the Leafs' favour, and it also puts them in position to add a pick or two helping to potentially facilitate deals for other teams where there are cap issues.