Opening Round: Tampa vs Columbus

[Redleaf]

I know I say some version of this every year but I just can't imagine who could look at this and not think it devalues the entire competition.

In what sense Nik?

 

[Guilt Trip]

Good challenge on that offside. If Tampa wins this game that was huge.

Yup. They still need to get rid of it tho or change the rule slightly. I say if the puck is touching the line it's inside. Oh well, 2-1.

 

[lc9]

3-1 CBJ now.

 

[herman]

Should we trade off our UfAs at the deadline just because we are in the toughest division? This slightly unprecedented situation sort of muddies that equation. It really depends on whether the deal helps in the short term as well.

 

[princedpw]

Good challenge on that offside. If Tampa wins this game that was huge.

Yup. They still need to get rid of it tho or change the rule slightly. I say if the puck is touching the line it's inside. Oh well, 2-1.

I say no review of offsides.  If the skater is close enough to the line that the ref misses the call, he gains a pretty limited advantage.  Play on.  There are many other much more significant infractions (eg, most of them) that are not reviewable.  I find it disappointing when we see a great skill play and it is negated by this minor infraction many seconds before the goal is scored.

 

[herman]

Hellooooo

 

[Zee]

Bye bye

 

[mr grieves]

I know I say some version of this every year but I just can't imagine who could look at this and not think it devalues the entire competition.

Wouldn't they have met in the first round under the old system anyway? Is there some sorta solution to this?

 

[princedpw]

Holy f?-.

 

[Joe S.]

Honestly this is shocking.

Has there ever been a more shocking upset? I can?t think of one off the top of my head.

 

[herman]

Shoot your shot

 

[princedpw]

Honestly this is shocking.

Has there ever been a more shocking upset?

Nope. Not in the NHL.  What about other sports?

 

[Guilt Trip]

Probably the worst matchup, other then the Leafs, for T-Bay. Columbus is big and physical and if Bob can get hot, look  out. Head says T-Bay but I would love to see Columbus upset them.

I like quoting myself. And yes I love it! Stamkos, Kucherov and Point, 5 points total in 4 games and all in game 4. Add that to the crappy goaltending they got looks good on them. Biggest choke in history.

 

[Captain Canuck]

Honestly stunned at this result, but excited at how wide open it just became to win the Cup!

 

[Hobbes]

Good challenge on that offside. If Tampa wins this game that was huge.

Yup. They still need to get rid of it tho or change the rule slightly. I say if the puck is touching the line it's inside. Oh well, 2-1.

I say no review of offsides.  If the skater is close enough to the line that the ref misses the call, he gains a pretty limited advantage.  Play on.  There are many other much more significant infractions (eg, most of them) that are not reviewable.  I find it disappointing when we see a great skill play and it is negated by this minor infraction many seconds before the goal is scored.

I wouldn't mind a time-limited review where if the offside occurred within 2 seconds of the goal being scored (or 3 or 5 or whatever seams reasonable) it can be called back. If the team gains the zone, plays around with it a bit, to defence has time to "set" at least a little, then play on. The ones you want to negate are those fast-break ones where the linesman might not even have time to get into position to evaluate it and it ends up in the net off that initial rush.


Columbus deserved this. They worked their tails off and got some great goaltending. Tampa was slow and sloppy, didn't execute, got mediocre goaltending, and simply got out-hustled for 11 of the 12 periods they played.

 

[Zee]

President's trophy winners have lost in round 1 before but never in a sweep I don't think

 

[princedpw]

Good challenge on that offside. If Tampa wins this game that was huge.

Yup. They still need to get rid of it tho or change the rule slightly. I say if the puck is touching the line it's inside. Oh well, 2-1.

I say no review of offsides.  If the skater is close enough to the line that the ref misses the call, he gains a pretty limited advantage.  Play on.  There are many other much more significant infractions (eg, most of them) that are not reviewable.  I find it disappointing when we see a great skill play and it is negated by this minor infraction many seconds before the goal is scored.

I wouldn't mind a time-limited review where if the offside occurred within 2 seconds of the goal being scored (or 3 or 5 or whatever seams reasonable) it can be called back. If the team gains the zone, plays around with it a bit, to defence has time to "set" at least a little, then play on. The ones you want to negate are those fast-break ones where the linesman might not even have time to get into position to evaluate it and it ends up in the net off that initial rush.

The time thing is a reasonable idea but I think it would add complications and i?d prefer simplicity.  The refs almost never miss egregious offsides and the toe over the line offsides provide little tangible benefit (you still need to get the puck and beat the goalie).  What I?m doing is basically giving the benefit of the doubt to the offense when they score a goal. I like goals and I prefer they not be deleted on the basis of this technicality.

 

[princedpw]

President's trophy winners have lost in round 1 before but never in a sweep I don't think

But Tampa wasn?t just any president?s trophy winner. By many metrics, they had one of the top 1-5 seasons of all time. 

 

[Hobbes]

Good challenge on that offside. If Tampa wins this game that was huge.

Yup. They still need to get rid of it tho or change the rule slightly. I say if the puck is touching the line it's inside. Oh well, 2-1.

I say no review of offsides.  If the skater is close enough to the line that the ref misses the call, he gains a pretty limited advantage.  Play on.  There are many other much more significant infractions (eg, most of them) that are not reviewable.  I find it disappointing when we see a great skill play and it is negated by this minor infraction many seconds before the goal is scored.

I wouldn't mind a time-limited review where if the offside occurred within 2 seconds of the goal being scored (or 3 or 5 or whatever seams reasonable) it can be called back. If the team gains the zone, plays around with it a bit, to defence has time to "set" at least a little, then play on. The ones you want to negate are those fast-break ones where the linesman might not even have time to get into position to evaluate it and it ends up in the net off that initial rush.

The time thing is a reasonable idea but I think it would add complications and i?d prefer simplicity.  The refs almost never miss egregious offsides and the toe over the line offsides provide little tangible benefit (you still need to get the puck and beat the goalie).  What I?m doing is basically giving the benefit of the doubt to the offense when they score a goal. I like goals and I prefer they not be deleted on the basis of this technicality.

In general I agree with you. If it requires slow motion frame-by-frame review from multiple angles (and the stupid "back skate must be in contact with the ice surface" instead of just the plane) then I'm all for letting it count. The kind of goal I'd like to see negated is the one like that goal Nylander had called back a couple weeks ago where the linesman missed it even though you could instantly see on the replay that he was offside.

I'd like the game called fairly and accurately and I can't agree with the notion of "we want more goals so let stuff slide" since it's a slippery slope and the exact same argument can be applied to hooking, slashing, tripping, boarding, roughing, etc. and that's what enraged so many Leafs fans in game 2. The obvious stuff wasn't being enforced.

 

[Joe S.]

President's trophy winners have lost in round 1 before but never in a sweep I don't think

It?s not just president trophy... tied for most wins in nhl history, and 0 playoff wins? That?s just crazy town.