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lc9 said:
I was unaware of the cap hit rules for retiring players.  If luongo retires in 2 seasons the canucks get a $8M cap hit.  How does that work?

It's a way to recover the cap savings early in a deal that had no real intention of being played later.

If you sign a 8 year deal for 37 million dollars but frame the contract like this:

10 million, 10 million, 7 million 5 million 2 million, 1 million, 1 million, 1 million your cap hit is 4.625M

In year 1 you make 10 million vs. a 4.625M cap hit so there is a "cap savings" of 5.375 million.  In year 2 you get the same, year three you save 2.375 million.  Over the first three years you have "saved" almost 13 million in real dollars relative to cap hit.  The average works out if the player plays the full 7 years but if a guy retires with 1-3 years left on a deal like this you didn't "pay the price" for averaging out the contract.  So the league put the recapture penalty in place.

If you retire after 3 years on this deal.  You would have saved 13 million in cap recapture money.  That cap recapture money then gets averaged over the life of the deal.  So if a player retires with 4 years left and a 13 million cap recapture penalty they would have a cap hit of 3.25M/year.

In the case of Luongo his net cap savings in Vancouver was 8.5M.  If they held on to him for the entirely of his contract that number would keep coming down over time to a negligible amount.  Because they traded him they never get the benefit of those declining years so they always benefited by the 8.5M.  If Luongo retired with a year left on his deal, Vancouver has to eat that whole 8.5M.  If he retired with 2 years left on his deal they would have a 4.25M hit each year.
 
lc9 said:
herman said:
lc9 said:
I was unaware of the cap hit rules for retiring players.  If luongo retires in 2 seasons the canucks get a $8M cap hit.  How does that work?

Contracts signed after 35+ years have cap hits remain to prevent circumvention of the cap by way of ?early retirements? off longer term. The signing team gets the hit.

http://www.colliganhockey.com/nhl-cba-35-older-contracts/

Do you think if that rule went away it would be rampant problem?

Teams have gotten around it so far with untimely long term injuries and the contracts have been traded to cap floor teams
 
herman said:
Contracts signed after 35+ years have cap hits remain to prevent circumvention of the cap by way of ?early retirements? off longer term. The signing team gets the hit.

http://www.colliganhockey.com/nhl-cba-35-older-contracts/

The Luongo potential hit is because of the cap recapture penalties, it's not a 35+ issue.
 
L K said:
If Luongo retired with a year left on his deal, Vancouver has to eat that whole 8.5M.  If he retired with 2 years left on his deal they would have a 4.25M hit each year.

I'll bet pretty much everything that I own that no team will get hit with a cap recapture penalty. At least not any kind of serious one. It'll either be wiped out/ignored in the next CBA or players like Luongo/Weber will just pull a Hossa until the contract expires. It was easily one of the dumbest and least thought out rules Bettman ever implemented.

If Weber retired with 1 year left on his deal Nashville would get a hit of $24.57mil for that season. How is that possibly fair?
 
CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
Contracts signed after 35+ years have cap hits remain to prevent circumvention of the cap by way of ?early retirements? off longer term. The signing team gets the hit.

http://www.colliganhockey.com/nhl-cba-35-older-contracts/

The Luongo potential hit is because of the cap recapture penalties, it's not a 35+ issue.

Feels like Friday here
 
CarltonTheBear said:
L K said:
If Luongo retired with a year left on his deal, Vancouver has to eat that whole 8.5M.  If he retired with 2 years left on his deal they would have a 4.25M hit each year.

I'll bet pretty much everything that I own that no team will get hit with a cap recapture penalty. At least not any kind of serious one. It'll either be wiped out/ignored in the next CBA or players like Luongo/Weber will just pull a Hossa until the contract expires. It was easily one of the dumbest and least thought out rules Bettman ever implemented.

Why don't they just use the actual value paid on the contract, year by year?
 

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