bustaheims
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CarltonTheBear said:
So, basically, you see him turning into a marginal upgrade over Stephen Weiss, because he's a 60 point centre who does all the other things you just listed there.
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So, basically, you see him turning into a marginal upgrade over Stephen Weiss, because he's a 60 point centre who does all the other things you just listed there.
bustaheims said:
I prefer Patrice Bergeron clone, but sure. Although I think my 65-point projection is a rather safe one, especially if he's playing with Phil.
I never said he would be an elite first line centre. Those are very rather in the NHL. But an elite second line centre who won't look out of place on the top line if he has wing support is still a pretty valuable player to have.
Edit: Especially when they are only 22.
bustaheims
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CarltonTheBear said:
I know Bergeron has been thrown around by a couple people around here about him, but, to me, that's on par with comparing prospects at the draft to established star players they really have no chance of becoming. Bergeron put up almost 40 points in 71 games as an 18 year old while getting just over 16 minutes a night. When he was in what would have been his 3rd NHL season had their not been a lockout, he scored 31 goals and put up 73 points. He was already a much better player than O'Reilly is now.
As for playing with Phil, the discussion here is about trading Kessel to get O'Reilly, so, I mean, that's not going to happen in this scenario.
bustaheims said:
I missed that part, and would have no interest in that. We go from not having a centre for Kessel to not having a winger for O'Reilly.
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RedLeaf said:
That's probably unlikely. It's not a top 5 pick now, and they'd be adding a 1st line winger without giving up anything from their current lineup. Top 10, maybe, but top 5 . . . again, not seeing it.
bustaheims
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RedLeaf said:
I think the Leafs could make a better deal for them than that if they traded Kessel. Whether or not it would be better value might be debatable, but, they could probably do better in terms of the kind of pieces they get back.
bustaheims
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RedLeaf said:
Well, that's really an unknown since Kessel really isn't available now. Nonis may be listening, but, it would likely take a significant overpayment to see him make a move before the deadline at the earliest. After that, who knows? Truthfully, if a Kessel deal does go down, the most likely time for it is at or leading up to the draft. That being said, someone like Minnesota could offer a package including guys like Coyle or Granlund along with other pieces that would be more appealing to me than ROR and a 1st. The Islanders have been known to make some wacky deals, and they have a number of very good prospects/young players that could make a very appealing trade package. The Flyers might put something together around Couturier. There are a number of possibilities out there.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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If Colorado is going to be a bottom five(at least ten) team, why in the world would they consider trading this 'First Line Pivot' and a top five pick for Phil Kessel?
The guy they draft could be better than Kessel, won't be due a contract in the region of $7 Million and they'd still have this star player in O'Reilly who will likely command much less than Kessel when he does sign.
Don't see it, sorry.
If you gave me some kind of guarantee(impossible I know) that it would be a top three pick, I'd consider it, only if we shopped all the other spare parts too.
The guy they draft could be better than Kessel, won't be due a contract in the region of $7 Million and they'd still have this star player in O'Reilly who will likely command much less than Kessel when he does sign.
Don't see it, sorry.
If you gave me some kind of guarantee(impossible I know) that it would be a top three pick, I'd consider it, only if we shopped all the other spare parts too.
Redleaf
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bustaheims said:
Pretty sure Couturier would interest the Leafs, but I highly doubt Philly would throw a 1st into the package as well. I'd still rather have O'Rielly and a top 10 pick than a deal for Couturier and some spare parts, but that's just me, and like you said we are piling hypotheticals on top of hypotheticals here. I'm guessing Kessel remains a Leaf for years to come.
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Jalili
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Still hoping Kessel signs an extention, because if he doesn't, the deal that we get him for is probably not going to include the kind of marquee players or picks that are being floated around.
It'll likely be a bundle of good but not individually superb assets.
It'll likely be a bundle of good but not individually superb assets.
Bullfrog
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Nik Gida said:
You honestly don't see a difference between a hockey player missing by inches opposed to one missing by feet?
Burke's battles?
It's controversial because you seem to be looking strictly at results and not subjectively reviewing his actual play on the ice. This is interesting as it's the exact opposite of what you've been talking about in other discussions.
Kin
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Bullfrog said:
Like, would it be more troubling if Kessel's shots were missing the net by feet, giving us the impression that he'd simply forgotten how to play hockey? Yes, I suppose that would be indicative of worse play but the standard I'm holding him to is one of a NHL player where missing by inches is what separates the good ones from the bad ones.
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Like, I think there's a lot more than that that separates the good ones from the bad ones.
The bad ones aren't getting the chances he's getting. The bad ones aren't blowing past defensemen and opening up opportunities for their linemates. The bad ones don't draw double teams. The bad ones don't have other NHLers commenting on how they're playing very well but just not getting the luck (e.g. Ovechkin's recent comments on Kessel.)
The bad ones aren't getting the chances he's getting. The bad ones aren't blowing past defensemen and opening up opportunities for their linemates. The bad ones don't draw double teams. The bad ones don't have other NHLers commenting on how they're playing very well but just not getting the luck (e.g. Ovechkin's recent comments on Kessel.)
