Players for Monument outside ACC...

[Kin]

I think that if you had said "I don't care for this idea as I don't like statues" or whatever then nobody would have given two figs about your opinion. The problem was that you took your opinion and used it as the basis for a statement that really isn't a matter of opinion, calling the statues "stupid" and "a waste of money". But you haven't made an empirical argument as to why that is despite the fact that you're the only person in this thread who seems to not like the idea. MLSE is spending money on something that a lot of fans like. That's their purpose. That's the result they're aiming for. Whether it's to cynically distract fans from their record or out of the goodness of their hearts as a celebration of the team's history, it seems like they've hit their mark.

If MLSE had bought a pizza for 100 fans and 99 had happily grabbed a slice and one guy in the corner loudly complained about how he didn't like pizza nobody would be disputing the validity of his opinion. If he said that they'd wasted their money on the pizza because he doesn't like pizza, well, that would sort of be the definition of being self-centered. MLSE didn't make this decision with the intent of pleasing you specifically and, as a result, their failure to do so does not reflect on the utility of the money they spent.

 

[AvroArrow]

I think that if you had said "I don't care for this idea as I don't like statues" or whatever then nobody would have given two figs about your opinion. The problem was that you took your opinion and used it as the basis for a statement that really isn't a matter of opinion, calling the statues "stupid" and "a waste of money". But you haven't made an empirical argument as to why that is despite the fact that you're the only person in this thread who seems to not like the idea. MLSE is spending money on something that a lot of fans like. That's their purpose. That's the result they're aiming for. Whether it's to cynically distract fans from their record or out of the goodness of their hearts as a celebration of the team's history, it seems like they've hit their mark.

If MLSE had bought a pizza for 100 fans and 99 had happily grabbed a slice and one guy in the corner loudly complained about how he didn't like pizza nobody would be disputing the validity of his opinion. If he said that they'd wasted their money on the pizza because he doesn't like pizza, well, that would sort of be the definition of being self-centered. MLSE didn't make this decision with the intent of pleasing you specifically and, as a result, their failure to do so does not reflect on the utility of the money they spent.

This just seems like a stupid waste of money that's better spent reducing the cost of tickets, or improving scouting, or whatever else.

If you can't comprehend that this indicates it's my opinion, then you need to go back to school.  Get over it and stop crying about it.

 

[Highlander]

I don't like personal attacks and excuse me if it seemed I was making one. Nik has hit the nail on the head much more elequently than me.
Avro, you are not the centre of the universe, only the centre of your own universe
In your rant about this it really seems you are judging everyones elses enjoyment for everyone and future enjoyment of this monument.  Just because you will never see the monument, doesnt mean it doesnt have validity.

 

[Highlander]

the reason everyone here is challenging you, is your opinion is realy not stated as an opinion.
Your first post about this was an edict or dogma based upon what you want or think, express your opinion but don't lay down edicts.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Alright, I think this particular conversation has gone on long enough. Particularly since some are having problems going a full post without resorting to insults.

 

[Highlander]

What a monumental discussion?I do bow out?sorry if I hurt anyones feelings.

 

[Deebo]

I live right by the ACC and walk by Legend's Row on regular basis. There are people of all ages taking pictures with the statues all the time.

 

[hockeyfan1]

The Leafs announced that Borje Salming will be the next Leaf to be honoured on Legends Row.  He was, and will always be, one of my favourite Leaf players of all time. Quite simply, one of the greatest Leaf defencemen to ever don the blue and white.

?Salming deserves credit for helping to open the doors in the NHL for many of the European players that followed,? Leafs president Brendan Shanahan said, via press release. ?Borje was offensively gifted but he was especially loved by Toronto fans for his toughness and he will make an outstanding addition to Legends Row.?

?Wearing the Toronto Maple Leaf sweater for 16 seasons was a great honour, but to be recognized among some of the top players with a statue on Legends Row, especially with my teammate Darryl Sittler, is something I couldn?t have imagined,? said Salming. ?I always look back on my time in Toronto with fondness and enjoy the chance to visit every chance I get. The chance to come back for the statue unveiling next September with my family will be very special.?


For more:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs-borje-salming-legends-row/
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[Highlander]

If Salming could play at his peak right now for the Leafs, he alone may have been enough to make this team a contender.  He played like a true Viking, my favorite D of all time.
Its great he is honoured this way.

 

[freer]

I honestly found it insulting to Borje that he was not there to begin with. It is very awesome for him. I am really happy.

 

[Deebo]

2 more additions will be announced today.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

2 more additions will be announced today.

Surely it's Franson and Santorelli.

 

[Kin]

2 more additions will be announced today.

It'll be a carving of a first round pick and a prospect.

 

[Highlander]

Keon and Shack???

 

[Arn]

2 more additions will be announced today.

Surely it's Franson and Santorelli.

McLaren and Orr for definite

 

[hockeyfan1]

The late Syl Apps and George Armstrong.

...said Toronto Maple Leafs President Brendan Shanahan...?Both Syl and George led their respective teams through two different eras of the team?s glory days with Hall of Fame careers and left a lasting legacy for future generations of Maple Leaf players to look up to.?

Armstrong spent his whole NHL career ? 21 seasons ? with the Maple Leafs, winning four Stanley Cups with the squad during their run in the 1960s, including the Leafs? last Cup win in 1967.

Apps also spent his entire career with the Leafs, playing 10 seasons with the club and winning three Stanley Cups (1942, 1947, 1948). Apps died in 1998. He was represented at the ceremony by his son.


http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/apps-armstrong-join-leafs-legends-row/

 

[Al14]

The late Syl Apps and George Armstrong.

...said Toronto Maple Leafs President Brendan Shanahan...?Both Syl and George led their respective teams through two different eras of the team?s glory days with Hall of Fame careers and left a lasting legacy for future generations of Maple Leaf players to look up to.?

Armstrong spent his whole NHL career ? 21 seasons ? with the Maple Leafs, winning four Stanley Cups with the squad during their run in the 1960s, including the Leafs? last Cup win in 1967.

Apps also spent his entire career with the Leafs, playing 10 seasons with the club and winning three Stanley Cups (1942, 1947, 1948). Apps died in 1998. He was represented at the ceremony by his son.


http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/apps-armstrong-join-leafs-legends-row/

I was hoping for Keon.   However, Apps and Armstrong (as in George ;D) are both good choices!

 

[L K]

The late Syl Apps and George Armstrong.

...said Toronto Maple Leafs President Brendan Shanahan...?Both Syl and George led their respective teams through two different eras of the team?s glory days with Hall of Fame careers and left a lasting legacy for future generations of Maple Leaf players to look up to.?

Armstrong spent his whole NHL career ? 21 seasons ? with the Maple Leafs, winning four Stanley Cups with the squad during their run in the 1960s, including the Leafs? last Cup win in 1967.

Apps also spent his entire career with the Leafs, playing 10 seasons with the club and winning three Stanley Cups (1942, 1947, 1948). Apps died in 1998. He was represented at the ceremony by his son.


http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/apps-armstrong-join-leafs-legends-row/

I was hoping for Keon.   However, Apps and Armstrong (as in George ;D) are both good choices!

I'm not convinced that we see Keon as one of those players to be honest.  A fantastic player, a guy who certainly got screwed by Ballard but he has been pretty ornery about all things Maple Leafs ever since.  Even his somewhat surprising appearance a few years ago for the Cup anniversary he couldn't even look excited to be there like the other guys and I think he even made a comment or two around the event that it was entirely to be there for his teammates and had little to do with the actual Maple Leafs component.

He also has that stance of refusing to have his number honoured unless it gets retired.  That one actually bugs me because noone else seems to have that problem.  And personally, unless a guy is someone like a Wayne Gretzky I don't really see why a number has to be retired.  If a young player comes in and wants to wear Sundin's 13, let him.  It doesn't diminish Sundin unless the guy ends up being a better career player and then you can't call Sundin the best #13 in Leafs history.

I don't think you get an ok from Keon to put a statue up at this point.

 

[freer]

The late Syl Apps and George Armstrong.

...said Toronto Maple Leafs President Brendan Shanahan...?Both Syl and George led their respective teams through two different eras of the team?s glory days with Hall of Fame careers and left a lasting legacy for future generations of Maple Leaf players to look up to.?

Armstrong spent his whole NHL career ? 21 seasons ? with the Maple Leafs, winning four Stanley Cups with the squad during their run in the 1960s, including the Leafs? last Cup win in 1967.

Apps also spent his entire career with the Leafs, playing 10 seasons with the club and winning three Stanley Cups (1942, 1947, 1948). Apps died in 1998. He was represented at the ceremony by his son.


http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/apps-armstrong-join-leafs-legends-row/

I was hoping for Keon.   However, Apps and Armstrong (as in George ;D) are both good choices!

I'm not convinced that we see Keon as one of those players to be honest.  A fantastic player, a guy who certainly got screwed by Ballard but he has been pretty ornery about all things Maple Leafs ever since.  Even his somewhat surprising appearance a few years ago for the Cup anniversary he couldn't even look excited to be there like the other guys and I think he even made a comment or two around the event that it was entirely to be there for his teammates and had little to do with the actual Maple Leafs component.

He also has that stance of refusing to have his number honoured unless it gets retired.  That one actually bugs me because noone else seems to have that problem.  And personally, unless a guy is someone like a Wayne Gretzky I don't really see why a number has to be retired.  If a young player comes in and wants to wear Sundin's 13, let him.  It doesn't diminish Sundin unless the guy ends up being a better career player and then you can't call Sundin the best #13 in Leafs history.

I don't think you get an ok from Keon to put a statue up at this point.

Why not. He was part of 4 Stanley cup winners. He should be a shoe IN.

 

[Kin]

He also has that stance of refusing to have his number honoured unless it gets retired.  That one actually bugs me because noone else seems to have that problem.  And personally, unless a guy is someone like a Wayne Gretzky I don't really see why a number has to be retired.

Aren't all honours A) relatively unnecessary and B) typically measured by their exclusivity and permanence?