WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Erndog said:
That is so bad, I do not know why the media aren't running wild with this.
It's pathetic.
Randy Carlyle/Leaf Coach thread
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That is so bad, I do not know why the media aren't running wild with this.
It's pathetic.
ZBBM
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Sorry to repeat myself, but unfortunately I agree with Dreger when we said a week or two ago that Carlyle is safe this season. What he didn't say, and this is where I am repeating, is the reason RC's safe is because he either convinced Nonis, or Nonis already bought into, RC's vision of the roster as evidenced by the moves over the summer. What we are seeing now is an extended attempt to win in the NHL of 2007. Unfortunately, everybody else but Carlyle (and Nonis) moved on.
bustaheims
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RedLeaf said:
Against Chicago, Pittsburgh, Florida, Phoenix and Detroit? Yeah, I don't see it. They should beat Florida. That's about it. Quite frankly, I think they'll be lucky to get points in 3 of their next 5 games.
Rebel_1812
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TML fan said:
The team is capped out. He can't do anything on the player movement front unless it was to get rid of big salary players. But that is unlikely since most teams are capped out this year. The only thing he could do is a coaching change. Also not likely. Carlyle has won a cup and is the only coach to get the leafs in the playoffs since the lockout.
Rebel_1812 said:
And that is exactly why I hate when people defend Clarkson-like signings by saying "In 5 years, it won't look so bad!".
We're capped because we have $2M in buyouts and $3M of Liles on the books! We'd be even worse shape if we didn't have those 2 amnesty buyouts. Plus holding back $500K in the Scrivens/Bernier deal.
I don't care how much better Clarksons albatross contract is going to look when Im 35 years old. The point is that it will STILL be sucking up over $5M of dead cap space and hamper whoever our GM is at the time.
Is Liles really that bad vs Ranger or Fraser??
We want a brain camp and pylon in the lineup vs a player
who apparently just dropped off a cliff? Because he's not physical enough? When Fraser's contribution to this is shoving the other team's player away from the net he just scored on?
I would give RC some space if he was juggling the roster with guys like Liles and Marlies, leaving the face punchers out etc etc. He's like an old stubborn mule ready for the 30.06 to spare him the painhe's we're in...
We want a brain camp and pylon in the lineup vs a player
who apparently just dropped off a cliff? Because he's not physical enough? When Fraser's contribution to this is shoving the other team's player away from the net he just scored on?
I would give RC some space if he was juggling the roster with guys like Liles and Marlies, leaving the face punchers out etc etc. He's like an old stubborn mule ready for the 30.06 to spare him the pain
GhostofPotvin29
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Courtesy of James Mirtle, Leafs shot differential since the start of last season.
L K
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On the upside, he took a personal day away from the media today. So he's got that going for himself.
Something needs to happen with this roster and I'm not sure what it is. I'm terrified that Nonis will make a bad move and trade a Rielly/Gardiner/Kadri kind of move to acquire a Neanderthal Carlyle-esque player.
Something needs to happen with this roster and I'm not sure what it is. I'm terrified that Nonis will make a bad move and trade a Rielly/Gardiner/Kadri kind of move to acquire a Neanderthal Carlyle-esque player.
Remember the days when the Leafs would be down by a goal, and in the last few minutes Sundin would make something happen - there would always be some kind of flurry in front of the net. Doesn't mean they'd score, but something was happening.
I honestly have not seen anything like that from any iteration of the Leafs since Sundin left. It's pathetic. I'm not just talking about this year, it's been year over year where I've barely seen any kind of sustained pressure from the Leafs. It's like watching a team of Stajan's.
I honestly have not seen anything like that from any iteration of the Leafs since Sundin left. It's pathetic. I'm not just talking about this year, it's been year over year where I've barely seen any kind of sustained pressure from the Leafs. It's like watching a team of Stajan's.
L K
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Joe S. said:
I love Kessel, I really do, but I think that is the problem with having your best offensive players be more on the soft/smaller side. Sundin could just force his way to the front of the net with the puck. Right now JVR might be the only player on the team with any form that capability and it's really a stretch to call him any kind of power-forward as his game relies pretty heavily on finesse.
If a team plays a tight defensive game, you don't get space and the Leafs speedy players can't get into positions for shots. Kessel dekes the heck of people sometimes but that rarely works when a team is nursing a 2 goal lead and just clogs the neutral zone with their forwards and defense playing on the same page.
Contrast that to the Leafs where they seem to play as two completely separate units. The forwards and defense rarely seem to be thinking along the same lines.
GhostofPotvin29
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Potentially one of the reasons for some of their possession struggles:
L K said:
Agreed.
The really good teams can play any style. Chicago, Boston, Anaheim, St. Louis and Pittsburgh to an extent can play all run and gun, up and down... or they can play a defensive tight checking game. Or they can play a big, in your face style.
We can only play one-way and even then, our coach is begging the players to play differently.
Kin
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Erndog said:
But don't you kind of see a wisdom there? If the best teams in the world are the teams who can play with versatility than trying to get a one-dimensional team to become a versatile one seems like progress even if it's a long-term goal and personnel changes need to be made. Otherwise, I mean, as soon as the Leafs go up against a team who can match them for speed, like Boston for instance, but can beat them in other areas they're toast.
I mean, I want this team to be more than just a line in someone elses Stanley Cup video that goes "After getting by the speedy Maple Leafs in the second round..."
Nik the Trik said:
Fair. But usually those good, versatile teams have good, versatile players. I think we lack that and a couple we did have (however versatile you want to make them) we jettisoned for a plug on a hefty contract.
I mean, it's a lot easier to get good hockey players to play in multiple different roles than it is to get bad hockey players.
L K
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Nik the Trik said:
I think that is a reasonable goal, but, speaking purely objectively, can even a 1/3 of this roster honestly be considered capable of playing hockey like the Blues/Bruins/Hawks? At some point there has to be a limit to how much of your roster isn't capable of playing a certain way before you change the course, even if it isn't the conventional way to win a Cup. Whether that is by making more trades/UFA signings or just changing your style of play.
To me the Leafs seem to be in this horrible grey zone. The coach wants them to play a way they aren't capable of performing and the players thrive under a system that typically isn't conducive to playoff success.
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