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Randy Carlyle/Leaf Coach thread

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bustaheims said:
OldTimeHockey said:
Unless there was a threat behind it, do we think Carlyle would listen to Loiselle and Nonis?
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Well, when you don't listen to your bosses, even when there isn't a threat behind it, you tend to lose your job.
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I get that, but I don't take Carlyle as the type to buckle under the pressure from above. I mean if he's as pigheaded as many around here like to say, why would he suddenly change now?

Personally I think it's just a case of everyone blaming the coach for the losses and the second the team plays well he's blamed for it not happening sooner.
 
Hey guys Rc still likes our forwards to collapse in front of our goalie not to attack point men ?

Therefore the forwards pray that they don't get injured and yet for a while there this technique contributed to being outshot with around 50 against every night .

Where's the logic in that
If something's not working one must adapt till something works.


I still say for a possession game ala wings just copy drills red wings use in practices
And too left wing lock.


Though have looked a bit better versus hungover kings
And coma like hawks lately.
 
Maybe Nonis has contemplated firing Carlyle but because of this while HBO thing and the winter classic he won't do it? Who knows.
 
Dreger keeps saying that Nonis will NOT fire Carlyle during the season.

So this means he waits until the Leafs are out of the playoffs.

Yep. Good decision making skills there.
 
I'm pretty sure Carlyle won't be fired at least during the season, because a) its overreactionary,  b) he's a solid, proven coach, and c) there's not Babcock type quality out there currently to approach that's clearly an upgrade.
 
2badknees said:
I'm pretty sure Carlyle won't be fired at least during the season, because a) its overreactionary,  b) he's a solid, proven coach, and c) there's not Babcock type quality out there currently to approach that's clearly an upgrade.
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Given that it's rapidly approaching two months since the Leafs managed to string together any kind of sustained success in terms of results, I'd argue strongly that firing the coach is not at all over reactionary. At this point in November, maybe, but, not anymore. As for your other two points, neither qualify as strong enough reasons to retain a coach that isn't getting results. Solid, proven coaches get fired mid-season all the time, often when there isn't a clear replacement available. That being said, there are couple very good potential options out there right now, with Laviolette and Brent Sutter being the more obvious names.
 
bustaheims said:
2badknees said:
I'm pretty sure Carlyle won't be fired at least during the season, because a) its overreactionary,  b) he's a solid, proven coach, and c) there's not Babcock type quality out there currently to approach that's clearly an upgrade.
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Given that it's rapidly approaching two months since the Leafs managed to string together any kind of sustained success in terms of results, I'd argue strongly that firing the coach is not at all over reactionary. At this point in November, maybe, but, not anymore. As for your other two points, neither qualify as strong enough reasons to retain a coach that isn't getting results. Solid, proven coaches get fired mid-season all the time, often when there isn't a clear replacement available. That being said, there are couple very good potential options out there right now, with Laviolette and Brent Sutter being the more obvious names.
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Even Florida's turned it around under an interim coach.  3-9-4 under Dineen and now 10-8-1 under Horachek.
 
That's because Dineen's style is more suited to Women's hockey



I haven't been on board with firing Carlyle for much of the season but after watching the last few games I'm all in. I'm generally not the type to panic and I don't think this team will improve that greatly but I see it as a way to at the least give them a good kick in the pants.

Either let the coach walk or make an impact move.
 
OldTimeHockey said:
Either let the coach walk or make an impact move.
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I'd prefer firing the coach. I honestly can't remember the last time a mid-season "impact" trade actually worked out well for a team (maybe the Thornton to SJ trade, but, the Sharks got him for pennies on the dollar, really). These types of moves are best left for the off-season.
 
bustaheims said:
OldTimeHockey said:
Either let the coach walk or make an impact move.
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I'd prefer firing the coach. I honestly can't remember the last time a mid-season "impact" trade actually worked out well for a team (maybe the Thornton to SJ trade, but, the Sharks got him for pennies on the dollar, really). These types of moves are best left for the off-season.
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Plus with their cap position it would be pretty difficult to do.
 
Potvin29 said:
bustaheims said:
OldTimeHockey said:
Either let the coach walk or make an impact move.
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I'd prefer firing the coach. I honestly can't remember the last time a mid-season "impact" trade actually worked out well for a team (maybe the Thornton to SJ trade, but, the Sharks got him for pennies on the dollar, really). These types of moves are best left for the off-season.
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Plus with their cap position it would be pretty difficult to do.
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See my thoughts are to take one of those "key" cogs and send them packing. Take one of the big talent/big salary players and drop them off at the airport. Take someone like Lupul and see what you can get. Something out of left field may be a good kick in the arse.

I personally didn't expect much out of this team. I figured they were a Wildcard team at best. That being said, this is some of the most frustrating hockey I've ever watched.
 
Like I always say, if the right move is hard and would bum you out, go with something easier, no matter how many times it's failed in the past.
 
Let's go the Pittsburgh model from 2009, they fired Therrien when the team was 27-25-5, replaced with Blysma who takes them on an 18-3-4 tear, and they win the Cup.

Easy peasy.
 
If I were the G.M. and WANTED to get rid of Burke's mess.  I'd want to keep Carlyle so I could fall in the standings and have a fire-sale at the trade deadline.
 
Burke's mess? This is a guy who just locked Bozak and Clarkson up long term, and will likely do the same with Phaneuf. This is Nonis's team.
 
Strangelove said:
Burke's mess? This is a guy who just locked Bozak and Clarkson up long term, and will likely do the same with Phaneuf. This is Nonis's team.
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This team is better than they're playing.  The team that Burke built is generally good, I have no idea why they're playing so poorly, it's not like we're icing a team of scrubs.
 
Fire Carlyle (he has lost the team), and hire sutter. problem solved, this guy will make the lazy leafs accountable.

Note: I am a fan of Carlyle, but he has been tuned out and we need someone new to wke this bunc of bums up. We are better then this.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Like I always say, if the right move is hard and would bum you out, go with something easier, no matter how many times it's failed in the past.
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Sometimes the right move and the easy move are the same thing. Sometimes, the easy move is what sets you on the path to the right move. Sometimes, ignoring the easy move makes the right move impossible.
 
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