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Ranking Prospects - 2017-18

What's interesting (sad) about that list is that next year's will have for the first time a drafted player born in the year 2000.

I'm getting old.
 
I think Nylander's versatility will win out. Still, I think Marner has a tremendous amount of room to grow even as an offensive player. More than Nylander even.
 
For reference: 2016's articles on Nylander (2) and Marner (3).

After a full season for both players, how has the assessment changed?
Marner put up a higher PPG than Nylander, but Marner had consistent time with well above average offensive linemates against softer competition, while Nylander always played with one linemate's gloves filled with cement. Marner was vaunted for his backchecking and 200-ft game, but a couple of highlight reel gaffes at his own blueline and the numbers bearing out that Nylander actually had better defensive acumen might start to change that conversation.

My own vote goes to Nylander, obviously.
 
According to PPP, #2 and #3 this year will be announced tomorrow, since the two beg comparison and knowing one result answers the other.
 
RedLeaf said:
herman said:
PPP: 4. Morgan Rielly

TLN: 12. Andreas Borgman
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It seems longer than its been since Rielly was our top prospect. It still amazing me how 3 drafts later were looking at this team from a completely different perspective than we were the year we drafted Reilly.
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Really since Shanahan was hired there has been a quantum shift in the hockey Universe, a hapless rudderless team, suddenly taken by a man with vision and the strength to see it through, hirings of Dubas, Lou, Hunter. Sticking to the drafts and strengthing development.
A lifetime away from Burkes 18 wheeler.  We have waiting so long, some of us 50 years and finally with a some firm guidance, a little luck (never hurts) and some vision we have the best Leaf team in ages, one that seems to be being built to stand the test of time.
Just want to live long enough to see the Parade once more.
 
Highlander said:
RedLeaf said:
herman said:
PPP: 4. Morgan Rielly

TLN: 12. Andreas Borgman
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It seems longer than its been since Rielly was our top prospect. It still amazing me how 3 drafts later were looking at this team from a completely different perspective than we were the year we drafted Reilly.
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Really since Shanahan was hired there has been a quantum shift in the hockey Universe, a hapless rudderless team, suddenly taken by a man with vision and the strength to see it through, hirings of Dubas, Lou, Hunter. Sticking to the drafts and strengthing development.
A lifetime away from Burkes 18 wheeler.  We have waiting so long, some of us 50 years and finally with a some firm guidance, a little luck (never hurts) and some vision we have the best Leaf team in ages, one that seems to be being built to stand the test of time.
Just want to live long enough to see the Parade once more.
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A little luck for sure but then again the organization helped itself get into the best luck spot possible for Matthews.  Marner instead of Strome was taken out of the Leafs hands but that worked out for the best too, and Nylander...well..that was an inspired pick :)
 
I think the job Burke did in Anaheim and eventually Calgary is pretty solid proof that the issue wasn't with him not having enough hap or rudder or being unable to come up with good ideas and see them through. For a long time the higher ups wouldn't approve a full rebuild, then they eventually did. That's great and everything but the real shift was in ownership, not Shanahan.
 
Nik the Trik said:
I think the job Burke did in Anaheim and eventually Calgary is pretty solid proof that the issue wasn't with him not having enough hap or rudder or being unable to come up with good ideas and see them through. For a long time the higher ups wouldn't approve a full rebuild, then they eventually did. That's great and everything but the real shift was in ownership, not Shanahan.
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Yeah, the problem before wasn't Burke, or even JFJ.

I'll give credit to Shanahan for helping ownership get their heads out of their own rears when he played wait and see and let their original choices play out their course into untenability.
 
TLN has about 8 more players to go through, and to the best of my knowledge and list comparison abilities, it appears to be down to:

Adam Brooks
Andreas Johnsson
Andrew Nielsen
Carl Grundstrom
Jeremy Bracco
Joseph Woll
Timothy Liljegren
Travis Dermott

I don't have as good a read on TLN's voting as I feel I do with PPP's, so let's just lay out what I want.

Timothy Liljegren
Andreas Johnsson
Travis Dermott
Carl Grundstrom
Adam Brooks
Jeremy Bracco
Joseph Woll
Andrew Nielsen
 
herman said:
I'll give credit to Shanahan for helping ownership get their heads out of their own rears when he played wait and see and let their original choices play out their course into untenability.
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Even that seems unfair to ownership. Maybe they should have cleaned house the minute the sale was final but they really only gave Nonis one year post-making the playoffs before deciding he needed a boss.

I don't think Shanahan would have been hired if Bell and Rogers hadn't already decided they were willing to do things differently. I think the longer time table was for Shanahan's benefit, not some sort of crafty long game.
 
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