Reimer avoids arbitration

[CarltonTheBear]

Cox as usual overplays his hand but Reimer failed when they needed him most.  Sure, the rest of the team failed too so I can't blame Reimer alone.  But he also didn't show he could step up and steal a game or two, either.

He sure did show that in the lockout season though. So if you (I mean Cox) want to say that Reimer cost those guys their jobs then you'll have to admit that he saved those same jobs a year ago.

 

[2badknees]

2.3M is ok, I guess. Just ok.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

And this is all true.  Reimer was a problem for the Leafs, especially down the stretch.  The first two months he was very good and then he wasn't anymore December (.909), January (.865), February (.896).  Part of that was the team just completely collapsed but he was struggling to keep himself in control.

But overall a .911 SV% for a backup is not bad.  His ending of the season makes it seem worse than it really was.  Even Bernier was bad in that stretch (injury of course).

But the season is the season.  You can't say his seemed worse than it really was.  It was exactly as bad as it really was. 

Exactly, the season is the season not only one bad stretch.

 

[Kin]

Cox as usual overplays his hand but Reimer failed when they needed him most.  Sure, the rest of the team failed too so I can't blame Reimer alone.  But he also didn't show he could step up and steal a game or two, either.

He sure did show that in the lockout season though.

Well, no. In the lockout season he showed, or at least sort of showed, that he could be a decent #1. Unless I'm misreading ZBBM, "stepping up" to steal a game or two is a qualification of a back-up, rather than a starter. A starter needs to consistently be at a high level and, to Reimer's credit, he was there the year befor.e

 

[bustaheims]

He sure did show that in the lockout season though. So if you (I mean Cox) want to say that Reimer cost those guys their jobs then you'll have to admit that he saved those same jobs a year ago.

Exactly. A lot of people are really focusing on the rough 2nd half he had last season, but not acknowledging how good he was in the 1st half, and excellent in 2 of the 3 other seasons he's played in the league (and some of his struggles in his sophomore season can legitimately be blame on injuries).

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

I think that's more or less right but I don't think it should be glossed over that Reimer wasn't all that good last year, even for a back-up. Obviously he shouldn't be blamed for the Leafs' collapse but going forward he is going to have to adapt to being a #2 or 1B and the Leafs goaltending situation is probably going to have to depend on him being someone who'll play once every week or so and still be able to deliver.

He wasn't that to a large extent last year. Hopefully he can adjust going forward.

I'm willing to cut him some slack for last season, given the overall performance of the bottom 6, the overworked top 6 and the defense. He by no means escapes some of the blame, I felt he did lose the #1 job, while being capable of competing to a higher level, because we've seen it.

I think a lot of his struggles were mental, maybe residual from the failed game 7 or something and having to outwork a more talented goalie.

My gut tells me that he realizes that he needs to take the job from Bernier, at least while he's in Toronto and an RFA. Playing well only helps him get what he thinks he deserves and that will only help the Leafs also. I do believe he can be much better though.

 

[Kin]

Exactly. A lot of people are really focusing on the rough 2nd half he had last season, but not acknowledging how good he was in the 1st half, and excellent in 2 of the 3 other seasons he's played in the league (and some of his struggles in his sophomore season can legitimately be blame on injuries).

I think in part because that's a fairly hard argument to make. His save percentages by Month last year are .949, .916, .909, .865, .895, .934

So that's two months, at the very beginning and very end of the season, where he was very good and those are the two months where he played the least. .916 is good-ish but it's barely above average. He was very, very good to start the season, in like 8 of his first 10 games he was great, and then that was more or less it for the year.

 

[Tigger]

2.3M is ok, I guess. Just ok.

;D

 

[ZBBM]

And this is all true.  Reimer was a problem for the Leafs, especially down the stretch.  The first two months he was very good and then he wasn't anymore December (.909), January (.865), February (.896).  Part of that was the team just completely collapsed but he was struggling to keep himself in control.

But overall a .911 SV% for a backup is not bad.  His ending of the season makes it seem worse than it really was.  Even Bernier was bad in that stretch (injury of course).

But the season is the season.  You can't say his seemed worse than it really was.  It was exactly as bad as it really was. 

Exactly, the season is the season not only one bad stretch.

Keeping in mind that the point of a season is to get into the playoffs.  Since he was unable to help the team do that, I think it's hard to claim that his season seemed worse than it was.  Missing the playoffs is worseness.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

And this is all true.  Reimer was a problem for the Leafs, especially down the stretch.  The first two months he was very good and then he wasn't anymore December (.909), January (.865), February (.896).  Part of that was the team just completely collapsed but he was struggling to keep himself in control.

But overall a .911 SV% for a backup is not bad.  His ending of the season makes it seem worse than it really was.  Even Bernier was bad in that stretch (injury of course).

But the season is the season.  You can't say his seemed worse than it really was.  It was exactly as bad as it really was. 

Exactly, the season is the season not only one bad stretch.

Keeping in mind that the point of a season is to get into the playoffs.  Since he was unable to help the team do that, I think it's hard to claim that his season seemed worse than it was.  Missing the playoffs is worseness.

I can't think of many teams (as poor defensively as the Leafs to boot) who could realistically expect their back-up goalie to get them into the playoffs.

Yes he didn't play well in that stretch but neither did the team. If he had, and the Leafs had made the playoffs there would still be a goalie controversy and they'd be paying him more than they did IMO.

 

[L K]

And this is all true.  Reimer was a problem for the Leafs, especially down the stretch.  The first two months he was very good and then he wasn't anymore December (.909), January (.865), February (.896).  Part of that was the team just completely collapsed but he was struggling to keep himself in control.

But overall a .911 SV% for a backup is not bad.  His ending of the season makes it seem worse than it really was.  Even Bernier was bad in that stretch (injury of course).

Very true, his season overall was average.  The start of the year he was sensational and Reimer and Bernier were stealing points left right and center.  The collapse was a combination of Carlyle's system continuing to promote poor possession and heavy defensive zone pressure, the complete loss of secondary scoring, poor individual defensive play, and Reimer struggling to keep the puck out of the net.  He was just a part of the problem down the stretch for the team because he struggled at a point where they needed him to keep playing like a .920 SV% goaltender.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

And this is all true.  Reimer was a problem for the Leafs, especially down the stretch.  The first two months he was very good and then he wasn't anymore December (.909), January (.865), February (.896).  Part of that was the team just completely collapsed but he was struggling to keep himself in control.

But overall a .911 SV% for a backup is not bad.  His ending of the season makes it seem worse than it really was.  Even Bernier was bad in that stretch (injury of course).

But the season is the season.  You can't say his seemed worse than it really was.  It was exactly as bad as it really was. 

Exactly, the season is the season not only one bad stretch.

Keeping in mind that the point of a season is to get into the playoffs.  Since he was unable to help the team do that, I think it's hard to claim that his season seemed worse than it was.  Missing the playoffs is worseness.

I'm saying that's not all on him, so I'm not defining his entire season based on that.  But I wouldn't define the entire team based on that stretch either.

 

[ZBBM]

And this is all true.  Reimer was a problem for the Leafs, especially down the stretch.  The first two months he was very good and then he wasn't anymore December (.909), January (.865), February (.896).  Part of that was the team just completely collapsed but he was struggling to keep himself in control.

But overall a .911 SV% for a backup is not bad.  His ending of the season makes it seem worse than it really was.  Even Bernier was bad in that stretch (injury of course).

But the season is the season.  You can't say his seemed worse than it really was.  It was exactly as bad as it really was. 

Exactly, the season is the season not only one bad stretch.

Keeping in mind that the point of a season is to get into the playoffs.  Since he was unable to help the team do that, I think it's hard to claim that his season seemed worse than it was.  Missing the playoffs is worseness.

I'm saying that's not all on him, so I'm not defining his entire season based on that.  But I wouldn't define the entire team based on that stretch either.

I agree.  I just think you have to look at the end result when assessing the overall quality of a player's season.  I like Reimer but were we not still in a playoff spot when he had to take over?  In any case, as I mentioned before if you want to be considered a good backup (let alone a starter) you have steal a game or two, even if it has to be done in back of the world-class clowncollege that is the Leafs D.

 

[freer]

And this is all true.  Reimer was a problem for the Leafs, especially down the stretch.  The first two months he was very good and then he wasn't anymore December (.909), January (.865), February (.896).  Part of that was the team just completely collapsed but he was struggling to keep himself in control.

But overall a .911 SV% for a backup is not bad.  His ending of the season makes it seem worse than it really was.  Even Bernier was bad in that stretch (injury of course).

But the season is the season.  You can't say his seemed worse than it really was.  It was exactly as bad as it really was. 

Exactly, the season is the season not only one bad stretch.

Keeping in mind that the point of a season is to get into the playoffs.  Since he was unable to help the team do that, I think it's hard to claim that his season seemed worse than it was.  Missing the playoffs is worseness.

I'm saying that's not all on him, so I'm not defining his entire season based on that.  But I wouldn't define the entire team based on that stretch either.

I agree.  I just think you have to look at the end result when assessing the overall quality of a player's season.  I like Reimer but were we not still in a playoff spot when he had to take over?  In any case, as I mentioned before if you want to be considered a good backup (let alone a starter) you have steal a game or two, even if it has to be done in back of the world-class clowncollege that is the Leafs D.

While I did not think we would see him back in a leafs jersey. I am ok with the signing. I was not under the impression that he was the reason we did not make the playoffs. The team needs to go back to basic defense. If you cant make a play to leave your zone, flip it out of your end and fight to get it back. Which they did not do.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

And this is all true.  Reimer was a problem for the Leafs, especially down the stretch.  The first two months he was very good and then he wasn't anymore December (.909), January (.865), February (.896).  Part of that was the team just completely collapsed but he was struggling to keep himself in control.

But overall a .911 SV% for a backup is not bad.  His ending of the season makes it seem worse than it really was.  Even Bernier was bad in that stretch (injury of course).

But the season is the season.  You can't say his seemed worse than it really was.  It was exactly as bad as it really was. 

Exactly, the season is the season not only one bad stretch.

Keeping in mind that the point of a season is to get into the playoffs.  Since he was unable to help the team do that, I think it's hard to claim that his season seemed worse than it was.  Missing the playoffs is worseness.

I'm saying that's not all on him, so I'm not defining his entire season based on that.  But I wouldn't define the entire team based on that stretch either.

I agree.  I just think you have to look at the end result when assessing the overall quality of a player's season.  I like Reimer but were we not still in a playoff spot when he had to take over?  In any case, as I mentioned before if you want to be considered a good backup (let alone a starter) you have steal a game or two, even if it has to be done in back of the world-class clowncollege that is the Leafs D.

Even in that rough stretch of his he did steal at least 1 game.

 

[sickbeast]

Just ok. This signing is just ok.

 

[Frank E]

I think this is good news that he signed for 2 years...his trade value could very well benefit.

I thought, as did many here, that he'd get a lot closer to $3m.

I'm happy with the deal, as I am with many of the deals this off-season.

 

[moon111]

And this is all true.  Reimer was a problem for the Leafs, especially down the stretch.  The first two months he was very good and then he wasn't anymore December (.909), January (.865), February (.896).  Part of that was the team just completely collapsed but he was struggling to keep himself in control.

But overall a .911 SV% for a backup is not bad.  His ending of the season makes it seem worse than it really was.  Even Bernier was bad in that stretch (injury of course).

But the season is the season.  You can't say his seemed worse than it really was.  It was exactly as bad as it really was. 

Exactly, the season is the season not only one bad stretch.

Keeping in mind that the point of a season is to get into the playoffs.  Since he was unable to help the team do that, I think it's hard to claim that his season seemed worse than it was.  Missing the playoffs is worseness.

I'm saying that's not all on him, so I'm not defining his entire season based on that.  But I wouldn't define the entire team based on that stretch either.

I agree.  I just think you have to look at the end result when assessing the overall quality of a player's season.  I like Reimer but were we not still in a playoff spot when he had to take over?  In any case, as I mentioned before if you want to be considered a good backup (let alone a starter) you have steal a game or two, even if it has to be done in back of the world-class clowncollege that is the Leafs D.

While I did not think we would see him back in a leafs jersey. I am ok with the signing. I was not under the impression that he was the reason we did not make the playoffs. The team needs to go back to basic defense. If you cant make a play to leave your zone, flip it out of your end and fight to get it back. Which they did not do.

This is one reason I haven't written David Clarkson off yet.  If the team is flipping the puck in and fighting to get it back, he might just be the best one on the team to get possession.  But every time they try making the play that's not there.  Turn-overs and maybe worst yet, being so damn predictable.  Opposing teams know this and can exploit this.

 

[Fanatic]

In a year when they have to lock up Bernier, 2.3M will be far too much for a backup. In fact, that's too much now. Sign him to trade him maybe?

That's really only true if Bernier emerges as a near Vezina like 65+ game a year guy. Otherwise they can probably "lock up" Bernier and pay Reimer 2.3 and still not pay as much for both goalies as the Rangers pay Lundqvist.

The guy I was thinking about (and should have mentioned) when I wrote that is Cory Schneider. He has played 143 career games plus 10 in the playoffs and has a career Svpct of .925.

Bernier will likely have more games played - although so far he only has 1 playoff game, by the time he is a RFA. His career svpct right now is .918, but his last couple of years have been comparable.

I think Bernier will be looking for a deal more like Schneider, and yet, having said that, even 6 mil and 2.3 are still less that Hendrik makes over at NYR.

My feeling in this cap world is that a team cannot really afford to spend much more than 1 million on a backup. Maybe I am wrong. I am not sure of what the average backup salary is. 

 

[Kin]

My feeling in this cap world is that a team cannot really afford to spend much more than 1 million on a backup. Maybe I am wrong. I am not sure of what the average backup salary is.

Why would the backup salary be a greater concern than just the total spent on goaltending? If the Rangers can be good and pay their goaltenders 9 million a year, shouldn't the Leafs be able to be good paying theirs 8.3?