Reimer Injury

[Kin]

Really?

How often are parents called to talk about injury issues?

Have you seen it before?

A parent quoted about a player's injury? Yes.

He held himself out to her as writing a story about a parent's "angst surrounding head injuries" (his own words). No doubt that's how he explained it to her. Is that what the story ended up being in reality?

You have no idea how he "held himself out to her" or what he said about the story he was writing. Neither she nor Reimer have expressed anything resembling anger or the idea that she was misled. The only ones making a stink about this is the Leafs.

It wouldn't have made sense for Feschuk to tell her what the story was about because the story is 99% what she said.

 

[Bender]

And really, this article doesn't affect Reimer's actual injury or even give us a talking point as to when he could possibly return, so I call a point of order to drop this subject and move on to this:

http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nhl/article/1088895--dimanno-leafs-not-comfortable-putting-starting-load-on-monster-says-burke

And this, the final word ? as of last night ? on Reimer, from Burke:

?He?s at least a week away. A week is probably wildly optimistic, which is a nice way of saying unrealistic. It could be a month. . . .

?That?s why we?re active.?

 

[riff raff]

Really?

How often are parents called to talk about injury issues?

Have you seen it before?

A parent quoted about a player's injury? Yes.

He held himself out to her as writing a story about a parent's "angst surrounding head injuries" (his own words). No doubt that's how he explained it to her. Is that what the story ended up being in reality?

You have no idea how he "held himself out to her" or what he said about the story he was writing. Neither she nor Reimer have expressed anything resembling anger or the idea that she was misled. The only ones making a stink about this is the Leafs.

It wouldn't have made sense for Feschuk to tell her what the story was about because the story is 99% what she said.

I guess we can agree to disagree about Feschuk's journalistic ethics. I think he crossed a line. You don't.

 

[Bonsixx]

A lot of this would be unnecessary if the NHL stopped being ridiculous and just adopted the NFL's policy of full injury disclosure.

Like this? 

http://www.sbnation.com/fantasy/2011/11/7/2543807/hines-ward-injury-fantasy-football-pittsburgh-steelers

D'oh!

Concussions are a bit trickier obviously, I'm thinking a more general wiping out of the "upper body injury/lower body injury" terminology.

Why is it the NFL divulges everything? Betting purposes? It certainly makes sense.

 

[Kin]

I guess we can agree to disagree about Feschuk's journalistic ethics. I think he crossed a line. You don't.

No because nobody with any knowledge of what went on is alleging he did anything unethical here. Not Burke, not Wilson, not Reimer, not Reimer's mother. It's well within the realm of journalistic ethics to ask any adult a question if it's honest. Aside from your completely unfounded assertions that Feschuk misled her in anyway, nobody is alleging any actual violations of ethical behaviour.

 

[Tigger]

I found it pretty much useless as a piece, the sum total info from what I saw was that she didn't know and was confused like everyone else. Who cares?

Going after family only to find out that Reimer had concussions in the past is weak tea at best.

Again, "Going after" is a pretty melodramatic way of putting a phone call that could have been as simple as "Hey Mrs. Reimer, Dave Feschuk from the Toronto Star, mind answering a few questions about your son?".

Marlenes pov doesn't interest me and means nothing to Reimer or the Leafs situation, it's a failure as a piece and I suspect, though I have no proof, that Feschuk was digging around trying to prove the Leafs were holding something back but he got essentially nothing new. He didn't need to go there, at all.

Like I said, I think that Reimer's concussion history was fairly new for most Leafs fans and something worth knowing.

'Going after' is whatever you think it is I guess, when Feschuk didn't believe the answer he got he went digging, call it what you like but claiming it's melodramatic is a little melodramatic to me. The call could have been anything, I don't have a transcript.

Reimers concussion history remains unknown, we didn't get a clinical rendering of the situation, it doesn't tell us anything at all. It's worth practically nothing.

Rosie D's article at least had some numbers from Burke,

"Burke revealed of Reimer?s medical evaluation, the sophomore?s concussion testing measured only seven out of 132, strongly suggestive of no brainpan bruising."

It's still not from a medical professional but certainly more information than anything you could glean from Feschuk's tripe.

 

[Kin]

'Going after' is whatever you think it is I guess, when Feschuk didn't believe the answer he got he went digging, call it what you like but claiming it's melodramatic is a little melodramatic to me. The call could have been anything, I don't have a transcript.

Again, it was a phone call. If that qualifies as going after someone then we're all Dave Feschuks. Is that the world you want to live in? Is it?

If going after something can mean anything anyone wants it to then it's pretty meaningless if the idea here is that there's an established set of journalistic ethics. If Journalistic ethics are in the eye of the beholder then, by and large, they're meaningless.

Reimers concussion history remains unknown, we didn't get a clinical rendering of the situation, it doesn't tell us anything at all. It's worth practically nothing.

So Mrs. Reimer is wrong about his history of concussions? She lied?

It's still not from a medical professional but certainly more information than anything you could glean from Feschuk's tripe.

There's nothing in any of Feschuk's article where he makes any claims about Reimer's past or present medical health. Marlene Reimer does.

 

[Tigger]

'Going after' is whatever you think it is I guess, when Feschuk didn't believe the answer he got he went digging, call it what you like but claiming it's melodramatic is a little melodramatic to me. The call could have been anything, I don't have a transcript.

Again, it was a phone call. If that qualifies as going after someone then we're all Dave Feschuks. Is that the world you want to live in? Is it?

If going after something can mean anything anyone wants it to then it's pretty meaningless if the idea here is that there's an established set of journalistic ethics. If Journalistic ethics are in the eye of the beholder then, by and large, they're meaningless.

Reimers concussion history remains unknown, we didn't get a clinical rendering of the situation, it doesn't tell us anything at all. It's worth practically nothing.

So Mrs. Reimer is wrong about his history of concussions? She lied?

It's still not from a medical professional but certainly more information than anything you could glean from Feschuk's tripe.

There's nothing in any of Feschuk's article where he makes any claims about Reimer's past or present medical health. Marlene Reimer does.

Ah, we've moved into a lugubrious state of qualm, I said it could mean anything to you not the world as journalistic dimension, does everyone print their phone calls for money? Maybe I should look into that, I need some cash... ( though in the 11th dimension not only can the Leafs win the cup every year but they can do it with Feschuk playing net and calling his own mom for injury updates... )

There really doesn't seem like much of a point for the phone call if the story was told accurately by Reimer and the Leafs, so why not talk to mommy, sure.

I get your point though and yes, I don't like what he did, you seem to be fine with it... moving on.

I don't know if Marlene's recall is accurate or not or how relevant it is... I'll ask as a result of this fascinating information how many concussions did Reimer have, how severe were they and what effect would they have on him now considering it looks like the numbers say he wasn't concussed from Giantass' hit, please, for the kids playing along at home... ( you really should be thinking of the children y'know )

 

[Kin]

I get your point though and yes, I don't like what he did, you seem to be fine with it... moving on.

If someone wants to say they didn't like the Feschuk article because it didn't reveal enough information for them or it's just not the kind of sportswriting they want to read then that's fine. To each their own.

I just don't think anyone should invent new and, quite frankly, ridiculous standards of journalistic conduct to try and mask their disinterest/dislike of the story by proclaiming dirty.

I don't know if Marlene's recall is accurate or not or  relevant it is...

I'm guessing that she's able to recall accurately that Reimer's had concussions in the past. How relevant is it? I don't know. But it's a piece of information about a player on the Leafs I didn't know before, know because of this piece and think is relatively interesting. It's not mind-blowing but finding out about a player's previously unknown injury history probably qualifies as relevant.

But, again, if you want to argue about how interesting or relevant the article is go nuts. Let's just spare the crocodile tears about the terrible state of the 4th estate when they dare to ask a question of an adult about their adult child.

 

[Tigger]

Hey, 'dirty pool' wasn't coined over illegality...

Fwiw an article and headline that mentions the word 'concussion' 13 times about a player that doesn't have one and is followed with a puppy just isn't my cup of tea. I think you might be a bit misleading in the croc dep't though, I didn't come to this shin dig with a hook for hand.

 

[bustaheims]

markhmasters: James Reimer on the ice before the start of practice with goalie coach Francois Allaire. Has yet to take any shots, but in full equipment.

 

[Fanatic]

HennyTweetsPaul Hendrick
Looks like the leafs won't be skating today. James reimer is on the ice working with francois allaire and anthony belza.

 

[Optimus Reimer]

markhmasters: James Reimer on the ice before the start of practice with goalie coach Francois Allaire. Has yet to take any shots, but in full equipment.

The way things are going for the Leafs, I wouldn't mind having a few shots right now.

 

[Bender]

Hey, 'dirty pool' wasn't coined over illegality...

Fwiw an article and headline that mentions the word 'concussion' 13 times about a player that doesn't have one and is followed with a puppy just isn't my cup of tea. I think you might be a bit misleading in the croc dep't though, I didn't come to this shin dig with a hook for hand.

Yeah, I mean she stops just short of saying he has a concussion by saying something along the lines of "how can he have concussion like symptoms and not have a concussion?" While it's true that she said that, I don't think it was necessary to print. It's a bit sensationalist, and really isn't a fair question.

Like I said earlier, "If its flu-like symptoms how can it not be flu?" Well, it can be meningitis or anything else that overlaps the flu with symptoms. There are overlapping symptoms for lots of different ailments and injuries. Moreover, if James had a concussion, with the spotlights shining on the subject, the Leafs would let the public know.

It's not an unethical piece of journalism, it's just kinda wonky. When you get your ass handed to you by Rosie DiManno you've got a problem!

 

[Highlander]

If James T. Kirk Reimer is on the ice in full equipment means things are looking up. He would not be out there in full gear if he was not on the mend. Maybe a couple of tune up games for the Marlies and back in the crease.

 

[Fanatic]

mirtleJames Mirtle
Wilson: Reimer still at least 7-10 days away. Brown fighting minor injury.

 

[Corn Flake]

mirtleJames Mirtle
Wilson: Reimer still at least 7-10 days away. Brown fighting minor injury.

Finally a timeline.  I guess this suggests that the symptoms have cleared up and they can use the next week or so to get him back to game ready.

 

[Bender]

mirtleJames Mirtle
Wilson: Reimer still at least 7-10 days away. Brown fighting minor injury.

Finally a timeline.  I guess this suggests that the symptoms have cleared up and they can use the next week or so to get him back to game ready.

Burke stated in the DiManno article that a week would be wildly optimistic, they're hoping for the next couple of weeks.

 

[cw]

mirtleJames Mirtle
Wilson: Reimer still at least 7-10 days away. Brown fighting minor injury.

Finally a timeline.  I guess this suggests that the symptoms have cleared up and they can use the next week or so to get him back to game ready.

Burke stated in the DiManno article that a week would be wildly optimistic, they're hoping for the next couple of weeks.

As long as it's roughly that time frame and not another three months, I think that's encouraging news. They just have to scratch out a few points between now and then so they don't completely sink out of playoff contention.

 

[ZBBM]

HennyTweetsPaul Hendrick
Looks like the leafs won't be skating today. James reimer is on the ice working with francois allaire and anthony belza.

Who's that?  A guy from an on-ice pizza delivery service?