Steve Stamkos?

[Kin]

Why in the world would I think such thoughts? he asked innocently.  We're talking about Stamkos, not anybody else. 

That was a humorous exaggeration intended to highlight the overestimation you've made of the media landscape up here.

 

[Redleaf]

Agreed.  But I think it's fair to say that any agent would be aware of the potential, and the potential for it to outweigh tax breaks in FLA (remembering too that such endorsement potential goes on AFTER the player's playing career is over ... that longevity surely is higher if Stamkos becomes a Leaf than if he stays in FLA).

See, still, I think you're wildly overestimating the market. In terms of retired players who you ever see doing endorsements in even a vaguely national sense up here you can basically count them on one hand(and really it's just Gretzky, Messier and Orr). The kind of guys who are going to have that reach are pretty much limited to one or two per generation and Crosby's pretty much got that locked up.

I can tell you personally that as a Hockey fan who interacts with a lot of non-hockey fans that the sort of Q rating(or whatever term you might want to use) that hockey players have with casual fans is still super low. Because the actual sports gear market is pretty small(which is where basketball/tennis players and golfers make the vast majority of their endorsement earnings) you're talking about endorsing non-sports related products. Is top 10-15 NHL player Steven Stamkos going to make people buy a lot of chips?

Like busta I have some professional background in this field and I can tell you that while the specific circumstances with regards to Stamkos might not have precedent, the sorts of numbers you're assuming they could lead to are completely outside of my experience with the media landscape.

You and busta told us, and you and busta think, and you and busta know.....

Puh....lease

You and busta don't think they should get Stamkos, nor do you think that he wants to come. We get it.

But with everything you've laid out for all us 'uninformed fans' to pick up on and get educated, you still haven't proven your case. You DON'T know that he's coming, and you DON'T know that it will work out poorly if he does. In other words, you're both in the same boat with all the rest of us when it comes to knowing what is going to happen and whether or not it is the right thing to do.

rant over

 

[Kin]

But with everything you've laid out for all us 'uninformed fans' to pick up on and get educated, you still have proven your case.

The slip, she is Freudian I think.

 

[Bullfrog]

Would Stamkos actually earn less in endorsements being in a Canadian market? Or does his location have nothing to do with it?

 

[Kin]

Would Stamkos actually earn less in endorsements being in a Canadian market? Or does his location have nothing to do with it?

My guess is the difference would be minimal. He might make a little more locally but absent large scale changes in his public perception it's probably not going to make a huge difference either way and could probably hurt him if the Leafs aren't successful during his time here.

 

[Redleaf]

But with everything you've laid out for all us 'uninformed fans' to pick up on and get educated, you still have proven your case.

The slip, she is Freudian I think.

Nik's playbook, last chapter :When all else fails hit him over the head with grammar and spelling errors.(or whatever you got left to hit 'em with)

 

[TBLeafer]

Would Stamkos actually earn less in endorsements being in a Canadian market? Or does his location have nothing to do with it?

Star power matters.

Should he shine in Toronto, his star would shine brighter than it would in Tampa, let alone be the captain of the next Leafs Cup winning team.

 

[Tigger]

...when it comes to knowing what is going to happen and whether or not it is the right thing to do.

Sure, no crystal ball or I'd be cleaning up on sports gut bets. I think one can say the case has been pretty well laid out by both sides overall, if we're hung up on 'who actually knows' then it gets boring.

 

[TBLeafer]

...when it comes to knowing what is going to happen and whether or not it is the right thing to do.

Sure, no crystal ball or I'd be cleaning up on sports gut bets. I think one can say the case has been pretty well laid out by both sides overall, if we're hung up on 'who actually knows' then it gets boring.

Too bad all these years have gone by too, eh?

 

[bustaheims]

Would Stamkos actually earn less in endorsements being in a Canadian market? Or does his location have nothing to do with it?

His national/significant endorsement agreements aren't likely to be impacted - they're not based on where he's playing, but on who he is. They won't grow or shrink in any meaningful way based on what jersey he's wearing.

 

[Kin]

It's probably also worth mentioning that there's no control group to use to measure how successful a person would be in various places. A lot of the idea of Stamkos becoming a much bigger deal seems predicated on him winning a cup but that's probably true wherever he goes.

In a national sense it's very tough to make the argument that either Gretzky or Messier got less famous in Canada after leaving and finding success elsewhere. Stamkos being a big success in Detroit or Buffalo would probably have a pretty comparable impact.

 

[bustaheims]

You and busta told us, and you and busta think, and you and busta know.....

Puh....lease

You and busta don't think they should get Stamkos, nor do you think that he wants to come. We get it.

But with everything you've laid out for all us 'uninformed fans' to pick up on and get educated, you still haven't proven your case. You DON'T know that he's coming, and you DON'T know that it will work out poorly if he does. In other words, you're both in the same boat with all the rest of us when it comes to knowing what is going to happen and whether or not it is the right thing to do.

rant over

RedLeaf's playbook, most chapters: When unable to present argument with any factual support, evidence, or authority, ignore actual points being made and attempt discredit poster or to steer argument down meaningless path.

 

[TBLeafer]

Just wondering.  On Wednesday do we cue the private Leafs jet to be sent to a Muskoka airport?

Maybe a little more subtle?

I laughed.

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[bustaheims]

According to James Duthie, roughly half the league has been in touch with Stamkos so far.

 

[Kin]

According to James Duthie, roughly half the league has been in touch with Stamkos so far.

Which makes sense. Every team should contact him. Even the Leafs. Find out his general position. Obviously it's a long shot but I've always maintained there's a price point at which signing Stamkos makes sense, it's just super unrealistic he'll sign at that point. Still, can't hurt to ask.

 

[Deebo]

Which makes sense. Every team should contact him. Even the Leafs. Find out his general position. Obviously it's a long shot but I've always maintained there's a price point at which signing Stamkos makes sense, it's just super unrealistic he'll sign at that point. Still, can't hurt to ask.

You may have mentioned it, but what is that number for you?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

According to James Duthie, roughly half the league has been in touch with Stamkos so far.

Even that number seems low to me.

 

[TBLeafer]

Which makes sense. Every team should contact him. Even the Leafs. Find out his general position. Obviously it's a long shot but I've always maintained there's a price point at which signing Stamkos makes sense, it's just super unrealistic he'll sign at that point. Still, can't hurt to ask.

You may have mentioned it, but what is that number for you?

A number so low I laughed.  Something like Kessel's last contract except over a 7 year max term.

 

[Kin]

You may have mentioned it, but what is that number for you?

It's evolved over time. 6ish to 8ish without movement protection is probably where that stands now.

 

[KadriFan]

To be honest, I'm hoping we get Vesey.  Stamkos would be nice if we needed a number one center.  We don't.....