Steve Stamkos?

[TBLeafer]

To be honest, I'm hoping we get Vesey.  Stamkos would be nice if we needed a number one center.  We don't.....

You must really like eggs, too. 

 

[Kin]

To be honest, I'm hoping we get Vesey.  Stamkos would be nice if we needed a number one center.  We don't.....

You must really like eggs, too. 

The ironing is delicious.

 

[TBLeafer]

To be honest, I'm hoping we get Vesey.  Stamkos would be nice if we needed a number one center.  We don't.....

You must really like eggs, too. 

The ironing is delicious.

Would that be a hot iron or a cold iron?

 

[Deebo]

You may have mentioned it, but what is that number for you?

It's evolved over time. 6ish to 8ish without movement protection is probably where that stands now.

Yeah, even "super unrealistic" might be putting it lightly at that number.

I'll admit I am not basing this on anything, but I think management has a much higher number that they are willing to go to with him - somewhere in the area of 10.5.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I once thought a couple of months ago you might be able to get Stamkos for under what Toews/Kane got, maybe even in the $9-9.5mil range. Now? Not a chance. He's getting $11mil at least for sure.

 

[Deebo]

I once thought a couple of months ago you might be able to get Stamkos for under what Toews/Kane got, maybe even in the $9-9.5mil range. Now? Not a chance. He's getting $11mil at least for sure.

What changed over a couple months to make you think differently?

 

[Kin]

Yeah, even "super unrealistic" might be putting it lightly at that number.

I'll admit I am not basing this on anything, but I think management has a much higher number that they are willing to go to with him - somewhere in the area of 10.5.

A week ago I'd have disagreed very much. Since the Andersen deal and what the team did at the draft, I'm far less confident in my read of the front office's continued good judgment.

 

[Frank E]

Yeah, even "super unrealistic" might be putting it lightly at that number.

I'll admit I am not basing this on anything, but I think management has a much higher number that they are willing to go to with him - somewhere in the area of 10.5.

A week ago I'd have disagreed very much. Since the Andersen deal and what the team did at the draft, I'm far less confident in my read of the front office's continued good judgment.

I've mentioned this before, but for me the turning point was re-signing Kadri.

 

[TBLeafer]

Yeah, even "super unrealistic" might be putting it lightly at that number.

I'll admit I am not basing this on anything, but I think management has a much higher number that they are willing to go to with him - somewhere in the area of 10.5.

A week ago I'd have disagreed very much. Since the Andersen deal and what the team did at the draft, I'm far less confident in my read of the front office's continued good judgment.

It seems your judgement is one not shared by many, many Leafs fans AND by management now it seems.  So there's that.

Perhaps YOUR judgement is... dare I say it... flawed?

 

[TBLeafer]

I'm still sticking with 10.5 with the notion that he doesn't want anything to do with being a Sabre at any amount.

 

[rdowdall]

Yeah, even "super unrealistic" might be putting it lightly at that number.

I'll admit I am not basing this on anything, but I think management has a much higher number that they are willing to go to with him - somewhere in the area of 10.5.

A week ago I'd have disagreed very much. Since the Andersen deal and what the team did at the draft, I'm far less confident in my read of the front office's continued good judgment.

It seems your judgement is one not shared by many, many Leafs fans AND by management now it seems.  So there's that.

Perhaps YOUR judgement is... dare I say it... flawed?

Well if it results in a bunch of second round exits from the playoffs, they probably should have listened to Nik.

 

[bustaheims]

I once thought a couple of months ago you might be able to get Stamkos for under what Toews/Kane got, maybe even in the $9-9.5mil range. Now? Not a chance. He's getting $11mil at least for sure.

If he hits the open market, I have no doubt there will be at least one or two teams that offer him $12M+ per. I think you'll see reasonable contracts for most of the UFA class, but I just really feel like there will be a couple teams willing to throw caution to the wind for Stamkos - and I'm confident the Leafs aren't one of them.

 

[Kin]

I've mentioned this before, but for me the turning point was re-signing Kadri.

I don't remember, was that before or after the draft lottery?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I once thought a couple of months ago you might be able to get Stamkos for under what Toews/Kane got, maybe even in the $9-9.5mil range. Now? Not a chance. He's getting $11mil at least for sure.

What changed over a couple months to make you think differently?

1) That was around when the blood clot issue came up and I thought that some teams might have been a little scared off because of it. Since then there's been a lot said about it not really being a big deal. I haven't even heard it mentioned in weeks.

2) Tampa was taking what seemed like a pretty hard stance at $8.5mil / year. I figured if the team that knew him best would only go that high it would set some kind of standard among other teams. Was obviously wrong about that too.

3) I didn't think that this many teams would have gotten seriously involved. Detroit losing Datsyuk opens up another real, big and very appealing destination for him. Vancouver likely doesn't stand much of a chance in getting him but they'll probably offer a lot and he'll be able to use that in negotiations with other teams.

 

[Deebo]

I've mentioned this before, but for me the turning point was re-signing Kadri.

I don't remember, was that before or after the draft lottery?

Before, it was the day after regular season ended IIRC.

Edit: 4 days actually, but before the lottery.

 

[herman]

Yeah, even "super unrealistic" might be putting it lightly at that number.

I'll admit I am not basing this on anything, but I think management has a much higher number that they are willing to go to with him - somewhere in the area of 10.5.

A week ago I'd have disagreed very much. Since the Andersen deal and what the team did at the draft, I'm far less confident in my read of the front office's continued good judgment.

It seems your judgement is one not shared by many, many Leafs fans AND by management now it seems.  So there's that.

Perhaps YOUR judgement is... dare I say it... flawed?

Well if it results in a bunch of second round exits from the playoffs, they probably should have listened to Nik.

I heart this management, but if they go hard for Stamkos and blow out the moneys, I'd be pretty displeased with them.

 

[Kin]

It seems your judgement is one not shared by many, many Leafs fans AND by management now it seems.  So there's that.

Perhaps YOUR judgement is... dare I say it... flawed?

For most of my life when it's been me vs. a majority of Leafs fans and Leafs management my judgment has a pretty good W-L record. I'll lean on that until definitively proven otherwise.

 

[Bill_Berg]

Yeah, even "super unrealistic" might be putting it lightly at that number.

I'll admit I am not basing this on anything, but I think management has a much higher number that they are willing to go to with him - somewhere in the area of 10.5.

A week ago I'd have disagreed very much. Since the Andersen deal and what the team did at the draft, I'm far less confident in my read of the front office's continued good judgment.

The Andersen deal, the term of the signing specifically, makes me think management is going to make a realistic offer for Stamkos. I'm sure they're still going to low ball it, but in the realistic low ball range, 10 mill.

 

[Frank E]

I've mentioned this before, but for me the turning point was re-signing Kadri.

I don't remember, was that before or after the draft lottery?

It was before.

 

[Kin]

I've mentioned this before, but for me the turning point was re-signing Kadri.

I don't remember, was that before or after the draft lottery?

It was before.

Yeah, I didn't have quite so much the same reaction. The likely outcome of the draft lottery was that the Leafs were going to be in a position to draft a wing and not a C(operating, as we were, that Dubois was a wing). As a result I thought it made a fair bit of sense to lock up Kadri regardless.

I still sort of think that, especially if the plan right now is for Nylander to start his career on the wing.