The Leo Komarov Question
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Al14 said:
I agree 100%. I've always liked Uncle Leo, on a team where there really is so few to get behind. For those that say his type of player is a dime a dozen, I disagree completely. You can easily get pests and a-holes but not one that combines his skill level, his relative lack of cheap shots
and one that stays out of the penalty box.
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Komarov the Piano Man:
@LKomarovthe piano man. He's a hit off the ice as well. Watch: http://bit.ly/1BHflpd #TMLtalk
@LKomarovthe piano man. He's a hit off the ice as well. Watch: http://bit.ly/1BHflpd #TMLtalk
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I think the difference is Nik that we have Leo, we know how he works, we know how he plays, and we know how he fits in the room. Boyd Gordon as an example is a very different player for the Coyotes than he was for Edmonton when they signed him. Vermette, despite a few imp goals, was a scratch for the Blackhawks early in playoffs. He is a better fit in AZ. Winnik is a better player in Toronto than he has been anywhere else. Some of us just want a team we can cheer for. I would like to see them win the Cup but I am just as happy to have a team that comes and works hard and provides good play and effort for my entertainment dollars. Again if you can move Leo for a sure fire NHL prospect I say go for it. But if it's for a 2nd rounder that we hope can be Leo in a few years I say stick with the original and let's keep building.
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Bates said:
All of them are absolutely comparable because comparable doesn't mean exactly the same. Some aren't as good and are a little cheaper and some are better and cost more. The guys who are cheaper aren't as adaptable or haven't proven to have an offensive touch, the guys who are more expensive tend to be guys who've done things like score 30 goals in a season or rack up 65 points.
The point here isn't that you can land a player exactly like Leo Komarov as a UFA(ignoring that's how the Leafs landed Leo Komarov for a second), it's that you can pick up someone with a similar skill set relatively easily.
I don't worry too much about the Leafs having someone exactly like Leo Komarov though because by virtue of the fact that Komarov has never won a cup it's safe to say that every single team who's ever won a cup has done so without a player exactly like Leo Komarov.
Nik the Trik said:
Yeah, well I'm not arguing for Komarov's journey, aside from his improvement as a player, but that list isn't all that sound. The joke about Brian Boyle is that the Leafs offered him more money but he signed in Tampa instead, which a few players on that list would likely be similar too, some of them just flat out wouldn't sign in Toronto because they aren't a playoff team, Fehr and Ward come to mind.
I think there was general agreement that Beleskey was going to be overpaid, Gordon certainly was a bit of shock when he signed for what he did. Jokinen isn't really at all like Komarov, he can play but he's not overly physical and a 3 year 12 mil deal at age 32 would put me off.
Vermette, I doubt he was going anywhere but Arizona.
Campbell is a 4th line player, but he is a physical player who can pk a bit. At least the number wasn't horrible.
Comeau is interesting in that he played on a cheap deal with the Penguins but got to play a lot with Crosby and Malkin, but 3 years @ 2.4 is quite a touch for a 32 year old player like him.
Upshall is cheap but came to St Louis on a tryout, a one year deal for him like that is ok but I'm not sure ( nor does it seem St Louis ) how much gas he has left in the tank.
Max Talbot. Huh. It's been almost 5 years since he was a ufa, he was traded last season from Colorado to Boston, and Colorado retained half his salary.
I think the list had one player under $2 million and that was Upshall, good luck getting him on the ice for more than half the year if he plays physical. You also have to be able to sign these free agents and that is not always the team's choice. We have Leo so no real need to chase a similar player who may not fit.
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Tigger said:
Again, it's not a list of players who are genetic copies of Leo Komarov so highlighting the minor differences or vague dissimilarities between them doesn't make the list "not sound". It's players who have filled similar roles with similar results. Jussi Jokinen is a good third line option who can kill penalties. Is he as physical as Komarov? No. But he's better than Komarov at other things.
What I'm not saying that any of these people are exactly the same as Leo Komarov or that the Leafs can sign them all at their leisure or that all of them are spectucular value signings or that I'd rather have them then Komarov. The point is a simple one and is largely irrefutable, similar players are frequently available on the free agent market, whether they can speak seven languages or not.