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The Official Complaint Thread!

bustaheims said:
TML fan said:
Nik the Trik said:
TML fan said:
At the end of the day, driving is a privilege, not a right, so really it wouldn't take much to get the ball rolling on something like this. Big money maker too. The only problem is governments like to get re-elected lol

How do you figure that it would be a money maker? Would people be footing the bill for their own road tests?

Uh, yeah.

Once you factor in all the costs for a system like this - and, let's not forget, we're dealing with government pay scales - there's not as much profit to be had here as you think.

Well, no government agency makes money really, fair enough.
 
Bill_Berg said:
Corn Flake said:
Bill_Berg said:
Plus people who run reds, eat while driving, text, tailgate in snow storms, speed, get stuck in intersections during rush hour etc... Probably won't do those things on tests. You might catch the odd guy that signals late, but what's the threshold for failing a test? One bad signal and you're out?

For sure there's a million details you have to work out on that front.  Demerit points could also dictate when someone gets sent for a re-test, so people getting caught doing all the things you suggest are forced to go get tested. Sure they can avoid those things in test but the mere thought of having to do it, plus the cost, will be a deterrent.

Yep, but I see many people weaving in and out of traffic on the highway or talking on call phones. I wonder what percentage of infractions are ticketed. More traffic tickets in general is probably a good start.

For sure. Generally I think the fear of getting one is supposed to be the main deterrent but we know for some it doesn't matter .. they will still do it.

 
TML fan said:
Potvin29 said:
Yeah, there's roughly 21 million licensed drivers in Canada.  I can't even imagine expecting that many people to do a 5-7 day testing process every few years, especially involving something that the vast majority rely on for their livelihoods.

That's why you charge for road tests and puttye money back into public transit. Or, they can take a taxi. Otherwise put in the time if you want to drive.

Who is going to pay for the tens of thousands who need a vehicle to do their job/get to their job but are low income?  Would they be subsidized?  How would it work in the economy having 21 million people requiring to be out of work to have their driving re-tested at some point?  Someone working in a remote area is going to take a taxi?

There are so many issues.  Those are just off the top of my head before I leave right now.
 
Corn Flake said:
Bill_Berg said:
Corn Flake said:
Bill_Berg said:
Plus people who run reds, eat while driving, text, tailgate in snow storms, speed, get stuck in intersections during rush hour etc... Probably won't do those things on tests. You might catch the odd guy that signals late, but what's the threshold for failing a test? One bad signal and you're out?

For sure there's a million details you have to work out on that front.  Demerit points could also dictate when someone gets sent for a re-test, so people getting caught doing all the things you suggest are forced to go get tested. Sure they can avoid those things in test but the mere thought of having to do it, plus the cost, will be a deterrent.

Yep, but I see many people weaving in and out of traffic on the highway or talking on call phones. I wonder what percentage of infractions are ticketed. More traffic tickets in general is probably a good start.

For sure. Generally I think the fear of getting one is supposed to be the main deterrent but we know for some it doesn't matter .. they will still do it.

Because who cares if they get a ticket? It's not like they'll need to take a week off work to take a 7 day test.
 
TML fan said:
bustaheims said:
TML fan said:
Nik the Trik said:
TML fan said:
At the end of the day, driving is a privilege, not a right, so really it wouldn't take much to get the ball rolling on something like this. Big money maker too. The only problem is governments like to get re-elected lol

How do you figure that it would be a money maker? Would people be footing the bill for their own road tests?

Uh, yeah.

Once you factor in all the costs for a system like this - and, let's not forget, we're dealing with government pay scales - there's not as much profit to be had here as you think.

Well, no government agency makes money really, fair enough.

The LCBO.
 
Potvin29 said:
TML fan said:
Potvin29 said:
Yeah, there's roughly 21 million licensed drivers in Canada.  I can't even imagine expecting that many people to do a 5-7 day testing process every few years, especially involving something that the vast majority rely on for their livelihoods.

That's why you charge for road tests and puttye money back into public transit. Or, they can take a taxi. Otherwise put in the time if you want to drive.

Who is going to pay for the tens of thousands who need a vehicle to do their job/get to their job but are low income?  Would they be subsidized?  How would it work in the economy having 21 million people requiring to be out of work to have their driving re-tested at some point?  Someone working in a remote area is going to take a taxi?

There are so many issues.  Those are just off the top of my head before I leave right now.

If you can't make the time to take a test and retain your license, you can't drive. I work 10 hr shifts Tuesday to Saturday. When do you think I go and get things done? On my day off. I make time, so can they.
 
Deebo said:
TML fan said:
bustaheims said:
TML fan said:
Nik the Trik said:
TML fan said:
At the end of the day, driving is a privilege, not a right, so really it wouldn't take much to get the ball rolling on something like this. Big money maker too. The only problem is governments like to get re-elected lol

How do you figure that it would be a money maker? Would people be footing the bill for their own road tests?

Uh, yeah.

Once you factor in all the costs for a system like this - and, let's not forget, we're dealing with government pay scales - there's not as much profit to be had here as you think.

Well, no government agency makes money really, fair enough.

The LCBO.

Yeah that's the exception, along with OLG (unless they're private, not sure).
 
There's really not enough money in this to make it a worthwhile revenue generator for the government. Let's look at the numbers.

Right now, a G licence road test costs $85 in Ontario. In order for the proposed system to work, they'd have to maintain a reasonable cost for these tests, otherwise, it would never fly. So, let's say every province and territory (since licensing is a provincial thing) has their test come in at an average of $100 per, and that every licensed drive needs to be tested every 5 years. There are ~21 million licensed drivers in Canada, so, that means ~$2.1B in total revenue distributed over 5 years or roughly $420M per year. From a government's perspective, that's already pretty insignificant. That $420M per year is distributed proportionally to the various provinces who are conducting the tests, based on how many drivers they have. Since Ontario has roughly 30% of the population of the country living here, we can probably safely assume they have a similar percentage of the drivers, so, that means they take in ~$126M per year from this. Now, we're talking about a government who deals with a budget that is in excess of $100B. ~$126M would barely register for them - and, we're simply talking revenue here, not profit. Once the expenses of expanding the system to this point are taken into account, there's really no money to be made by the government here unless they increase the costs or the frequency of testing well past the point where there'd be more pushback than it would be worth.
 
I'm soft but I miss air conditioning.  I have it at home and I'm away on a rotation for work and the apartment hit 94 degrees.  Not cool.
 
TheMightyOdin said:
Time seems to go by faster as I get older and it's making me crazy. Life truly is short.

To quote Carlin - BS - life isn't short, it's the longest thing you'll ever do!

(At least I think it was Carlin...)
 
unless you drive in Brampton every day, dont complain about bad driving. Highest per capita shite drivers.... you can make a "pay off" in cash for your road test... yeh.
 
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Drunk driver takes out the Burlington skyway. Idiot. Doesn't sound like anybody was hurt, aside from all the people whose commute he ruined for the next week or so.
 
Patrick said:
Remind me, which movie is it where the hero shoots through a baby to get to the bad guys?

Well, there's the scene in Shoot 'em Up where Clive Owen shoots near the baby to foil the bad guys. Underrated flick in my opinion.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Well, there's the scene in Shoot 'em Up where Clive Owen shoots near the baby to foil the bad guys. Underrated flick in my opinion.

Great movie. Last good one he's been in too though, which is a shame as he was on a pretty good roll with that, Children of Men, and Inside Man. Here's hoping that Knick show turns out well.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Drunk driver takes out the Burlington skyway. Idiot. Doesn't sound like anybody was hurt, aside from all the people whose commute he ruined for the next week or so.

I'm told that bridge could be closed for some time, like longer than a week.

Traffic is an absolute mess this morning.
 

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