The Unofficial Fire Ron Wilson/Ron Wilson is the Greatest Thread

[cap44]

Real_ESPNLeBrun: Regarding calls for Ron Wilson's head in TO, just chatted with Leafs GM Brian Burke. ``I?m not contemplating a coaching change,?? Burke said

and that's the scary part!

 

[L K]

I realize it's picking the stats a bit right after a horrid 10 game stretch and made them much worse than they were before (maybe it's also regression to the mean however) but for a guy in his 4th year coaching the team:

.495 PT% ---> .451 PT% ---> .518 PT% ---> .524 PT%

The team has been touted as a young team, but age alone should be showing them with some positive results in performance.  Beyond that, I think Burke has added pieces each year that should make the team better.  Those are some pretty horrific point percentages for a team that is backing its coach. 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I realize it's picking the stats a bit right after a horrid 10 game stretch and made them much worse than they were before (maybe it's also regression to the mean however) but for a guy in his 4th year coaching the team:

.495 PT% ---> .451 PT% ---> .518 PT% ---> .524 PT%

The team has been touted as a young team, but age alone should be showing them with some positive results in performance.  Beyond that, I think Burke has added pieces each year that should make the team better.  Those are some pretty horrific point percentages for a team that is backing its coach. 

I share the opinion of a few that a team/coach is only as good as it's goalie. And while Burke has certainly added pieces to improve the team, it hasn't really happened between the pipes. I'd ditch Wilson if the team doesn't make the playoffs just because I think his time is up, but I don't think we'll see much improvement unless our goaltending situation is fixed.

 

[ZBBM]

I realize it's picking the stats a bit right after a horrid 10 game stretch and made them much worse than they were before (maybe it's also regression to the mean however) but for a guy in his 4th year coaching the team:

.495 PT% ---> .451 PT% ---> .518 PT% ---> .524 PT%

The team has been touted as a young team, but age alone should be showing them with some positive results in performance.  Beyond that, I think Burke has added pieces each year that should make the team better.  Those are some pretty horrific point percentages for a team that is backing its coach. 

I share the opinion of a few that a team/coach is only as good as it's goalie. And while Burke has certainly added pieces to improve the team, it hasn't really happened between the pipes. I'd ditch Wilson if the team doesn't make the playoffs just because I think his time is up, but I don't think we'll see much improvement unless our goaltending situation is fixed.

Much as Wilson bugs me, there's a lot of truth in this.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I realize it's picking the stats a bit right after a horrid 10 game stretch and made them much worse than they were before (maybe it's also regression to the mean however) but for a guy in his 4th year coaching the team:

.495 PT% ---> .451 PT% ---> .518 PT% ---> .524 PT%

The team has been touted as a young team, but age alone should be showing them with some positive results in performance.  Beyond that, I think Burke has added pieces each year that should make the team better.  Those are some pretty horrific point percentages for a team that is backing its coach. 

I share the opinion of a few that a team/coach is only as good as it's goalie. And while Burke has certainly added pieces to improve the team, it hasn't really happened between the pipes. I'd ditch Wilson if the team doesn't make the playoffs just because I think his time is up, but I don't think we'll see much improvement unless our goaltending situation is fixed.

Much as Wilson bugs me, there's a lot of truth in this.

Probably has been the downfall of a few very talented Philly teams.

 

[Kin]

I share the opinion of a few that a team/coach is only as good as it's goalie. And while Burke has certainly added pieces to improve the team, it hasn't really happened between the pipes.

But, and I realize this speaks to the fact that evaluating "coaching" from where we are is tricky as a rule, Burke has added goaltenders to the mix. Reimer, Gus and Giguere were all guys who joined the Leafs under Burke's tenure. There's talent there. That they've all underperformed is undeniable but I don't think you can separate that from the issue of coaching as easily as that.

Given the volatility of the goaltending position there's not much Burke can do to "fix" the goaltending beyond a shadow of a doubt. He's not going to go out and con the Rangers out of Henrik Lundqvist. The best he's realistically going to be able to do is find someone who has some potential to be a decent goalie and give him to Wilson to coach. I think it'd be hard to argue that he hasn't already done that a couple of times.

 

[freer]

Fire Ron Wilson

You want to blame the Goalies go right ahead. Yes both let in the odd bad one. But 30 millions dollars on a defense that makes pee wee mistakes every game is why we are losing. I blame that on coaching.

Fire Ron Wilson

 

[Leafaholic99]

Fire Ron Wilson

You want to blame the Goalies go right ahead. Yes both let in the odd bad one. But 30 millions dollars on a defense that makes pee wee mistakes every game is why we are losing. I blame that on coaching.

Fire Ron Wilson

I couldn't agree more, we've had defensive problems for a decade now, and the amount we have spent on the D right now and they are playing this poorly, is pathetic. I am getting tired of seeing this team suck and not improving, just when you think they are, they take a step back.

 

[Sweenbot]

Fire Ron Wilson

You want to blame the Goalies go right ahead. Yes both let in the odd bad one. But 30 millions dollars on a defense that makes pee wee mistakes every game is why we are losing. I blame that on coaching.

Fire Ron Wilson

I couldn't agree more, we've had defensive problems for a decade now, and the amount we have spent on the D right now and they are playing this poorly, is pathetic. I am getting tired of seeing this team suck and not improving, just when you think they are, they take a step back.

"Like"

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Steve Dangle posted a video after Wilson tossed Reimer under the bus Saturday, pretty accurate actually.

 

[Jalili]

I agree that RW should be fired. Now that the offense has dried up to some extent the team has been exposed for what it is. Its really been noticeable over the course of the year, that when the forwards arent scoring at a high clip the defense and goaltending will seldom be good enough to give the team a chance of winning.

The back-end just plain stinks. Management needs to get it through their heads that Wilsons system is busted. Burke should know better than anybody as someone who boasts that he builds his teams from the net out. If they dont turn it after this weekend the season is over.

 

[drummond]

Marlies have second best GAA in the AHL. Sure, their goalies play great (Owuya, Scrivens as well as Rynaas) but obviously it is not just the goalies but the whole defensive system. If it works with Marlies why the hell not with the Leafs. It is there, just apply the system with the Leafs.

 

[TML fan]

While a good defensive system will cut down on the number of quality scoring chances, it won't prevent bad goalies letting in bad goals.

 

[L K]

Wilson's post practice chat (before the end of the deadline)

The players are watching you guys on Sports....umm Sports Channel and TSN.

Also, Komisarek is getting back into the lineup tomorrow night.

 

[cw]

Marlies have second best GAA in the AHL. Sure, their goalies play great (Owuya, Scrivens as well as Rynaas) but obviously it is not just the goalies but the whole defensive system. If it works with Marlies why the hell not with the Leafs. It is there, just apply the system with the Leafs.

The Marlies also have the top PK in the AHL ...

 

[lamajama]

Marlies have second best GAA in the AHL. Sure, their goalies play great (Owuya, Scrivens as well as Rynaas) but obviously it is not just the goalies but the whole defensive system. If it works with Marlies why the hell not with the Leafs. It is there, just apply the system with the Leafs.

But don't you know? The Leafs have to run and gun to entertain the fans that come to the games. If not, they won't buy tickets. Burke has said many times that "we're in the entertainment business". Maybe so but they're certainly not in the winning business.

For those with their sarcasm meter broken, I'm not advocating TB 1-3-1
or New Jersey under Lemaire but I am advocating some kind
of defensive system.

Right now our defensive system consists of following the refs to centre ice
after another goal.

 

[Bender]

Marlies have second best GAA in the AHL. Sure, their goalies play great (Owuya, Scrivens as well as Rynaas) but obviously it is not just the goalies but the whole defensive system. If it works with Marlies why the hell not with the Leafs. It is there, just apply the system with the Leafs.

The Marlies also have the top PK in the AHL ...

Owuya`s had great numbers in the ECHL too, where Rynnas posted bad ones. Their PK has a symbiotic relationship with good goaltending.

 

[Bender]

Marlies have second best GAA in the AHL. Sure, their goalies play great (Owuya, Scrivens as well as Rynaas) but obviously it is not just the goalies but the whole defensive system. If it works with Marlies why the hell not with the Leafs. It is there, just apply the system with the Leafs.

But don't you know? The Leafs have to run and gun to entertain the fans that come to the games. If not, they won't buy tickets. Burke has said many times that "we're in the entertainment business". Maybe so but they're certainly not in the winning business.

For those with their sarcasm meter broken, I'm not advocating TB 1-3-1
or New Jersey under Lemaire but I am advocating some kind
of defensive system.

Right now our defensive system consists of following the refs to centre ice
after another goal.

You`re honestly advocating that the team plays a style for the purposes of entertaining and not winning.... wow.

 

[L K]

Marlies have second best GAA in the AHL. Sure, their goalies play great (Owuya, Scrivens as well as Rynaas) but obviously it is not just the goalies but the whole defensive system. If it works with Marlies why the hell not with the Leafs. It is there, just apply the system with the Leafs.

The Marlies also have the top PK in the AHL ...

Owuya`s had great numbers in the ECHL too, where Rynnas posted bad ones. Their PK has a symbiotic relationship with good goaltending.

Rynnas' "bad ones" are a .910 SV%

 

[lc9]

Marlies have second best GAA in the AHL. Sure, their goalies play great (Owuya, Scrivens as well as Rynaas) but obviously it is not just the goalies but the whole defensive system. If it works with Marlies why the hell not with the Leafs. It is there, just apply the system with the Leafs.

But don't you know? The Leafs have to run and gun to entertain the fans that come to the games. If not, they won't buy tickets. Burke has said many times that "we're in the entertainment business". Maybe so but they're certainly not in the winning business.

For those with their sarcasm meter broken, I'm not advocating TB 1-3-1
or New Jersey under Lemaire but I am advocating some kind
of defensive system.

Right now our defensive system consists of following the refs to centre ice
after another goal.

You`re honestly advocating that the team plays a style for the purposes of entertaining and not winning.... wow.

Wasn't that sarcasm?