TOP 5 PICK!!!
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BlueWhiteBlood
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showmethemoneyman said:
I think I would do that deal, but would Philly?
Etiam Vultus
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lamajama said:
Are you serious or are you joking?
Does anyone really think that a general manager should be candid when talking to the media about potential trades?
Kin
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jonlleafs said:
I don't really think that's the issue here though. If Brian Burke said "We don't comment on media rumours" then that would be fine. Make that a team policy, stick to it and I don't think any thinking person would blame them for that. Especially not when the rumours are as vague as "rumblings" imply them to be. If Brian Burke was asked a specific, direct question then he has a reason to respond to it.
But absent that, I'm really starting to wish that Burke would respond with things like "We don't comment on that" as opposed to whining about what mean poopyheads the CBC are or sounding like a moron when talking about the Penguins.
Nik? said:
I agree. While I respect Burke, I think his rants against the media do nothing for him or the organization. The media will be the media. They are outlandish at best. So don't fall for their trap and just keep silent. They'll wish they had some sound bites from Burke and maybe they would be more respectful of the team and players.
lamajama said:
Yeah, you probably could and he still wouldn't answer you to your satisfaction because it's his job to look after the team, not make sure some reporter is getting the answer he thinks he deserves or is entitled to.
Funny thing, the question he was asked was in response to what Friedman wrote which wasn't in any way conclusive, 'rumblings that the Leafs will offer Schenn'... how do you confirm speculation that says you haven't done it yet?
Mind you I didn't catch what was said on the broadcast so maybe that was different.
Tempest in a teapot to me.
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Jalili
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RedLeaf said:
I agree. If all it takes is a dime a dozen player to nab the guy who everyone seems to believe is the sure thing, versus hoping that one of the guys that might be an impact player maybe falls to us, then I would certainly not hesitate to move up.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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I had much the same feeling after reading.Tigger said:
I think the price to move up will be Gardiner and I think that is why we will pick at fifth, Burke won't do it, although he does kinda have previous in this situation, trading a young up and coming McCabe to move up and get the twins.
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WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
But just to be clear, he traded McCabe to get the additional 1st round pick, not to trade up. After that he flipped that pick from #4 to #1, which only cost him two 3rd rounders he flipped yet again down to #2 with Atlanta and regained a 3rd round pick. He held the 3rd overall pick the entire time.
Flipping picks typically only ever involved other draft picks. Trading actual players usually only happens when that team has no pick or is looking for another.
So this Gardiner/Schenn + 5th for the 1st... would be a first.
Corn Flake said:
I think adding Schenn to move up in the draft is pretty crazy, but adding Gardiner to move up is overwhelmingly insane. We have a guy (Gardiner) who has established that he can play in the NHL and play well there, who would be a #1 draft pick by a country mile if he were in this year's draft just because of what he's accomplished so far and to think you would think of trading him for an unknown commodity? On top of that, he's not even in the elite territory of say a Stamkos or Crosby. I know I wouldn't do it. And poor kid, he'd be like Kessel and have this stigma with him his whole time with the Leafs. The pressure on him would be huge and he may just crack under the pressure. All the while, we'll be watching Gardiner progress into some top end defender and wishing we never had made that trade.
I think any GM could ask but Burke should be laughing as he hangs up the phone. Any GM thinking they could pry Gardiner away from this team should be put in a mental institution.
Etiam Vultus
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Corn Flake said:
Memories fade, but I was pretty sure that Burke also traded a first round pick for the next year as part of the McCabe trade to Chicago. I looked it up to be sure.
http://www.taylorshold.com/anatomy-of-the-sedin-trade/
Here is the account of how Brian Burke landed the Sedin twins, which 12 years later has allowed the Canucks to reap the rewards. The wheeling and dealing began when Vancouver sent defenseman Bryan McCabe and a 2000 first-round pick to the Chicago Blackhawks (which became Pavel Vorobiev, who did next to nothing) for the fourth overall pick (which landed with the Rangers and became Pavel Brendl)
Brian Burke then sent the No. 4 selection and a pair of third-round picks to the Tampa Bay Lightning for the top overall pick.
Next, Vancouver sent the top pick to the expansion Atlanta Thrashers for the No. 2 selection and a conditional 2000 third-rounder. The deal was that the Thrashers would take Stefan, leaving the Canucks to take the Sedins in sequential order.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
Burke will have to have a sense of what the other 4 teams are looking for and how that will affect the choices in front of him. Presuming the area of need for the Leafs is a centre, and he's said he's never identified players in a draft like that before but he might this time, then it's a two horse race, Galchenyuk and Grigorenko. I figure Montreal is in that discussion, probably not the Islanders but maybe Columbus. Edmonton is Yakupov or Murray by all accounts.
For argument, if 3 teams are looking at defensmen then there's room to move, if two are then it gets a little more hairy and you have to know who Montreal/Columbus have their hearts set on no matter. Moving into the two spot might be possible without moving a legit prospect and netting the Leafs the centre they covet but it's only truly necessary if Montreal is after the same player, if Columbus is amenable, and the four spot is bent on a winger or a defenceman.
Involving a legit young player to move up in this draft, to me, is only really necessary if the Leafs are trying for the 1st overall.
Other things could happen too, if Columbus and Edmonton swap picks, for argument, then the Leafs are probably at the mercy of those choosing ahead of them, for example.
In the end, if Grigorenko falls to the Leafs instead of Galchenyuk, I take him ( presuming they've done their due diligence and know he's not a KHL threat ).
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Etiam Vultus said:
He just talked about it during his interview with Steve Paikin on TVO the other night too.